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KungKras said:
guiduc said:
KungKras said:
Microsoft. Relying on third parties The PS2 to PS3 transition showed what a good investment that was for Sony in the previous gen. Arrogance and weak first party.

Sony. Arrogance, inability to innovate, weak first party.

Nintendo. Hated by third parties. Failure to deliver on motion control content promise. (Since the Wii launch, I'm STILL waiting for an awesome sword fighting and archery game in a fantasy world or an awesome lightsaber game. FU lucasarts!)

Wii Sports Resort showed how motion controls can deliever, son. Super Mario Galaxy did it, and will Zelda Wii do the same.

I have huge hopes for Zelda Wii. That may finally be the sword fighting game that I have been waiting for. But still, the Wii sports series are the best games to showcase the Wii motion controls, and they are launch games (Resort is for M+)

I want some other games than those to entertain me with motion controls. I'm not saying that the tech failed. I'm saying that the software that I bought the Wii for hasn't been provided yet.

You should look forward Red Steel 2.



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KungKras said:
Scoobes said:
KungKras said:
gamings_best said:
KungKras said:
Microsoft. Relying on third parties The PS2 to PS3 transition showed what a good investment that was for Sony in the previous gen. Arrogance and weak first party.

Sony. Arrogance, inability to innovate, weak first party.

Nintendo. Hated by third parties. Failure to deliver on motion control content promise. (Since the Wii launch, I'm STILL waiting for an awesome sword fighting and archery game in a fantasy world or an awesome lightsaber game. FU lucasarts!)

so much fail in a single post.

as a matter of a fact this whole thread is full of fail.

Where did I fail?

Your failure point was probably when you said Sony have a weak first-party; Sony has the largest first-party in terms of developers than Nintendo or Microsoft (possibly put together). They probably release more titles than any of the big 3, although with the Wii being much cheaper and easier to develop for Nintendo could still hold that. However, virtually all of Sony 1st party titles are big budget (or present themselves as big budget) games.

I know that they have many studios. And that they release plenty of games.

But I think all those studios and games are weak. Their games just blends in with all other games and does little to push hardware. It's only this generation that Sony first party has been tested to be able to carry a console, and it just barely did the job. That's pathetic for a company with two previous console generations on their record. IMHO (Not to say that they don't make good games)

You might think that but they do sell quite a lot a are often applauded. They also seemingly have a different attitude to Nintendo in that this gen especially they've brought out a lot of new IPs. The new IPs are just not going to push hardware in the same way that Nintendo's 1st party titles will, which have a recognisable character/brand immediately. Just count how many games have been released that have the name "Mario". Sony don't have a definable character that can push hardware the same as Mario, Link or Samus can. Essentially, Nintendo have 20yrs of rich and defined history to fall back on. They can make any game they want and put in a character from an existing franchise to push consoles. So I don't think that calling Sony 1st party "weak" is necceassarily true, more that they don't have any definable characters/mascot to push software and consequently hardware. Even MS have Master Chief.

The other problem is that the biggest old gen IPs have yet to see a full release (Gran Turismo, God of War comming out soon).



Microsoft - spending a lot of money on exclusives
Sony - playstation network is pretty weak (when the movement has become online gaming)
Nintendo - not helping 3rd party developers in advertising and development (name a popular/well selling wii game that is 3rd party)



MikeB said:
Sony - No monopolies to take advantage of, participates strictly in highly competitive markets.
Microsoft - Lack of vision, too much propaganda.
Nintendo - Its strongest point is IMO also its weakest, kiddy reputation and orientation.

Nintendo = Pedobear, confirmed?



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tripleb2k said:
Microsoft - spending a lot of money on exclusives
Sony - playstation network is pretty weak (when the movement has become online gaming)
Nintendo - not helping 3rd party developers in advertising and development (name a popular/well selling wii game that is 3rd party)

Monster Hunter 3, CoD: WaW, Guitar Hero series, Rockband series, Just Danse

But I understand your point.



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Xbox360=I love the 360,Its my favorite of the bunch,I like there controller the best minus the crappy digital pad and I commend the live service and feel its worth every penny of $50 a year,the ui is by far the slickest and easiest to manage,and indie games,netflix,and zune marketplace are awsome.I do feel microsoft relies heavily on a one holiday hit a year strategy.
they did'nt launch a hit there 1st year becase there was no competition,but follow this map for the holidays sine the launch of ps3,Gears of war '06,Halo 3 '07,Gears 2 '08,ODST '09,Halo reach '10,and I'm sure we'll see gears 3 for '11.sure 360 has some other exclusive gems,crackdown,fable,mass effect,and forza.but I think they take 3rd party support lightly,arrogantly feeling they'll automatically keep 3rd party support due to them being the leader in software sales,but I think sony has done a great job rallying for 3rd party support and it's starting to show,and I think if this natal thing don't pan out and sony catches up in hardware sales,360 will be sorry they did'nt draw strong alliances with 3rd parties as it seems sony is doing.

Wii=Very successful in hardware sales and 1st party software but piracy is killing 3rd party sales,nintendo needs to do something,the wii is so easy to softmod a caveman can do it,and I feel this is the Achilles heel to third part software sales thus making wii unappealing to 3rd party developers.

PS3=I think sony is finally coming into there own,a rocky launch and high priced hardware were initial deterrents to consumers,and the 1st couple years yielded no huge exclusives(other then Drakes Fortune)to separate them from 360,but now with a more comfortable price point,more big exclusives and the success of blu- ray I think they'll be fine ,though I'd still like to see the xmb get revamped to be easier to navigate ala the nxe.



Scoobes said:

You might think that but they do sell quite a lot a are often applauded. They also seemingly have a different attitude to Nintendo in that this gen especially they've brought out a lot of new IPs. The new IPs are just not going to push hardware in the same way that Nintendo's 1st party titles will, which have a recognisable character/brand immediately. Just count how many games have been released that have the name "Mario". Sony don't have a definable character that can push hardware the same as Mario, Link or Samus can. Essentially, Nintendo have 20yrs of rich and defined history to fall back on. They can make any game they want and put in a character from an existing franchise to push consoles. So I don't think that calling Sony 1st party "weak" is necceassarily true, more that they don't have any definable characters/mascot to push software and consequently hardware. Even MS have Master Chief.

The other problem is that the biggest old gen IPs have yet to see a full release (Gran Turismo, God of War comming out soon).

I see it like this. If SCE was a third party company, it would be insanely strong. But as a first party, it is weak. If they don't try to have at least one easily identifiable series like thier competition, that is a form of weakness. SCE is very scattered and not very integrated. This still means that they can make good games, but it makes it so much harder for them to push hardware. The entire structure is flawed, that's the thing. If SCE was a third party, it would be a really really strong one. But as a first party, different qualities than just churning out games of random genres are required.

I do think non-establised franchises can push hardware. just look at the Wii series. It just has to be the correct software. I want Nintendo to make new core games, like they did during the NES days and the SNES days. Their creativity used to be one of their strenghts and now they haven't made a new game universe in ages. (I don't mean the gameplay creativity).

It will be interresting when GT and GoW are released. Then we will truly see how good they are at pushing hardware.



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guiduc said:

You should look forward Red Steel 2.

Ah yes I forgot that one. It seems fun, and I am keeping my eyes on it.



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KungKras said:
gamings_best said:
KungKras said:
Microsoft. Relying on third parties The PS2 to PS3 transition showed what a good investment that was for Sony in the previous gen. Arrogance and weak first party.

Sony. Arrogance, inability to innovate, weak first party.

Nintendo. Hated by third parties. Failure to deliver on motion control content promise. (Since the Wii launch, I'm STILL waiting for an awesome sword fighting and archery game in a fantasy world or an awesome lightsaber game. FU lucasarts!)

so much fail in a single post.

as a matter of a fact this whole thread is full of fail.

Where did I fail?

inability to innovate, weak first party................................... dude that's what they get right.



KungKras said:
Scoobes said:
 

You might think that but they do sell quite a lot a are often applauded. They also seemingly have a different attitude to Nintendo in that this gen especially they've brought out a lot of new IPs. The new IPs are just not going to push hardware in the same way that Nintendo's 1st party titles will, which have a recognisable character/brand immediately. Just count how many games have been released that have the name "Mario". Sony don't have a definable character that can push hardware the same as Mario, Link or Samus can. Essentially, Nintendo have 20yrs of rich and defined history to fall back on. They can make any game they want and put in a character from an existing franchise to push consoles. So I don't think that calling Sony 1st party "weak" is necceassarily true, more that they don't have any definable characters/mascot to push software and consequently hardware. Even MS have Master Chief.

The other problem is that the biggest old gen IPs have yet to see a full release (Gran Turismo, God of War comming out soon).

I see it like this. If SCE was a third party company, it would be insanely strong. But as a first party, it is weak. If they don't try to have at least one easily identifiable series like thier competition, that is a form of weakness. SCE is very scattered and not very integrated. This still means that they can make good games, but it makes it so much harder for them to push hardware. The entire structure is flawed, that's the thing. If SCE was a third party, it would be a really really strong one. But as a first party, different qualities than just churning out games of random genres are required.

I do think non-establised franchises can push hardware. just look at the Wii series. It just has to be the correct software. I want Nintendo to make new core games, like they did during the NES days and the SNES days. Their creativity used to be one of their strenghts and now they haven't made a new game universe in ages. (I don't mean the gameplay creativity).

It will be interresting when GT and GoW are released. Then we will truly see how good they are at pushing hardware.

see bro, your what's known as a casual, mainstream gamer. due to the lack of knowledge when it comes to gaming, it's not a bad thing,but not a good thing either.

what you consider weakness is really called diversity. The very thing that makes Sony and it's developers the best is that they don't stick to the same old, same old. There willingness to step outside the box, take risk is what the industry is all about. now to the casual and mainstream gamers, this is a weird, not smart way to do business, what they like yourself don't know is those are the titles that start the established fanchises that will push hardware and market share. it's truely the only reason I stick with Sony and ps3, because I know who's actually innovating the industry, and will continue to put out new, fresh things, instead of the same old same old.

and there willingness to do that knowing they could take the generic, mediocre, way  that would insure market domination... well those are the guys I wanna support.

people's focus on market share, and sales are the real downfall of the generation, gamers have stopped being gamers, and now all act as if there shareholders.

stop being robots people. where better than that imo.