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Forums - Sales Discussion - The Official July NPD Thread (data for 4 weeks ending 8/2 comes @ 6:30 est)

Dolla Dolla on 15 August 2008

I know this is late, celine, and I didn't do as much as I wanted to do with it, but here it goes:



Threads of Interest:
The Movie Thread: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=6880
The Crow Eating Thread: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=0&id=3886
The Betting Thread: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?start=0&id=7104
Custom GIFs Thread: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=18963
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heruamon on 15 August 2008

Has anybody compared the NPD data against the numbers reported by M$ on their lsat quarterly report?  That's really the best method to say how accurate or not accurate it is, imho.  WE've been hearing how bad 360 is doing all year from NPD, but that wasn't reflected in the last report to close out the year.



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DirtyP2002 on 15 August 2008

Come on VGC, you need to make a statement on these numbers.

+/- 10% is okay, but

  • 50% on the Xbox360,
  • 21% on the PSP

is just random. Could you explain the gap please?



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Yakuzaice on 15 August 2008
koffieboon said:
Total software sales: 591.1M
Total Xbox360 software sales: 129M
Total Playstation software sales: 183.6M

So that puts Nintendo software sales close to 278.5M minus some sales from the original Xbox and even older systems. Still total Nintendo sales is probably in the 260-270M range, which means they're really dominating software sales without any big new releases.

Are you sure they aren't counting PC software?

 

Also why doesn't VGC split up the US/Canada/rest of the Americas?  It would make a lot more sense in these threads than just taking off a standard 10% for Canada, and having people claim Latin America makes up for X amount of difference.

 

 



TheSource on 15 August 2008

You can't split up the Americas by USA-Canada-Latin America at like 90-7.5-2.5 because it isn't that standard. On average, its something like that, but it varies by company. 360 is quite strong in Mexico, Wii does pretty well in Canada, PS3 is probably in more countries than the first two, but it costs up to $2000 in parts of Latin America.



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makingmusic476 on 15 August 2008
woopah said:
wii hardware improved????

wii fit and mario kart have basicqally kept the whole thing going, numbers should be stupidly high come september when the great software starts coming out

 

Better software won't do a damn thing if they don't up the shipments.



Yakuzaice on 16 August 2008
TheSource said:

You can't split up the Americas by USA-Canada-Latin America at like 90-7.5-2.5 because it isn't that standard. On average, its something like that, but it varies by company. 360 is quite strong in Mexico, Wii does pretty well in Canada, PS3 is probably in more countries than the first two, but it costs up to $2000 in parts of Latin America.

That isn't what I'm talking about.  Assuming VGC actually gets seperate data from the US, Canada, etc, why can't we have an actual US number based on US data.  We have that for a lot of European countries, so I don't see why we can't for the Americas. 

Actually, you are proving my point.  It isn't a standard breakdown across all countries, so we should use the actual United States figures and not the America's number minus 10%.  It would cut down on people comparing all of the Americas to NPD, and people making assumptions on Latin America sales.

 



Nutboy on 16 August 2008
Yakuzaice said:
TheSource said:

You can't split up the Americas by USA-Canada-Latin America at like 90-7.5-2.5 because it isn't that standard. On average, its something like that, but it varies by company. 360 is quite strong in Mexico, Wii does pretty well in Canada, PS3 is probably in more countries than the first two, but it costs up to $2000 in parts of Latin America.

That isn't what I'm talking about.  Assuming VGC actually gets seperate data from the US, Canada, etc, why can't we have an actual US number based on US data.  We have that for a lot of European countries, so I don't see why we can't for the Americas.

Actually, you are proving my point.  It isn't a standard breakdown across all countries, so we should use the actual United States figures and not the America's number minus 10%.  It would cut down on people comparing all of the Americas to NPD, and people making assumptions on Latin America sales.

 

 

 We can get back-up for most of our datas in Europe, to check that they're correct. With Canada and LA, we can't, except for some numbers every year.

Here's an estimate of end of 07 total sales for consoles:

X360: 8.34M

Ps3 - 3.14M

Wii - 6.68M

 

Mexico had:

Ps3 - 60K

X360 - 550K

Wii - 220K

 

Canada had

Ps3 - 310K

X360 - 710K

Wii - 650K

 

Rest of LA had roughly the same as Mexico numbers.

All is in here: http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=34302

 



koffieboon on 16 August 2008
Yakuzaice said:
koffieboon said:
Total software sales: 591.1M
Total Xbox360 software sales: 129M
Total Playstation software sales: 183.6M

So that puts Nintendo software sales close to 278.5M minus some sales from the original Xbox and even older systems. Still total Nintendo sales is probably in the 260-270M range, which means they're really dominating software sales without any big new releases.

Are you sure they aren't counting PC software?

 

Also why doesn't VGC split up the US/Canada/rest of the Americas?  It would make a lot more sense in these threads than just taking off a standard 10% for Canada, and having people claim Latin America makes up for X amount of difference.

 

 

There is never any reference on PC games sold, so I'm pretty sure they aren't included in the numbers. And considering how much Wii and DS are outselling the competition it really isn't that surprising they sell close to 50% of all software revenue.

 



Yakuzaice on 16 August 2008
Nutboy said:
Yakuzaice said:
TheSource said:

You can't split up the Americas by USA-Canada-Latin America at like 90-7.5-2.5 because it isn't that standard. On average, its something like that, but it varies by company. 360 is quite strong in Mexico, Wii does pretty well in Canada, PS3 is probably in more countries than the first two, but it costs up to $2000 in parts of Latin America.

That isn't what I'm talking about.  Assuming VGC actually gets seperate data from the US, Canada, etc, why can't we have an actual US number based on US data.  We have that for a lot of European countries, so I don't see why we can't for the Americas.

Actually, you are proving my point.  It isn't a standard breakdown across all countries, so we should use the actual United States figures and not the America's number minus 10%.  It would cut down on people comparing all of the Americas to NPD, and people making assumptions on Latin America sales.

 

 

 We can get back-up for most of our datas in Europe, to check that they're correct. With Canada and LA, we can't, except for some numbers every year.

I still don't see why we shouldn't be able to split it up.  Just like Europe, there are a few major markets we get numbers on (US/Canada).  I mean others is the entire world minus Japan and the Americas.  We don't get official numbers for all those countries, but there is still a breakdown between the major markets (UK/Australia/Italy/France/etc) and the rest lumped into "others".  So why not have United States/Canada/others for the Americas?

Not to mention, as they always say, VGC doesn't just copy other organizations numbers, so it shouldn't matter if anyone reports Paraguay's figures.