Northern Ireland (98.9%), Gibraltar (98.97%) and Scotland (55.3%) have all been given the option to leave the UK and join whoever they want but they voted to stay instead.

Let's re-run the Scottish Independence referendum first. We won't need a 2nd EU ref if they leave.

In addition to a 2nd referendum taking into account changed opinions, I think it's also important as it allows us to weigh up remain against an actual, tangible deal.

The first referendum was a flawed in my opinion as it gave the option of 1 remain option against the entire spectrum of Brexit options, and we now know that people's ideas of what Brexit should actually be vary widely.

It's almost like getting a room of people to vote for what carry-out they want, with the question being structured as - 'ok guys, who wants Thai & who doesn't want Thai? If Thai loses then we'll vote on what non-Thai option we want' Thai gets 48% and loses, but when it's time to decide on what actual cuisine people want they can't agree and Chinese / Italian / Indian all fail to pull more than the 48% Thai lost by...

But it's all political manoeuvring now - I don't think any decision-makers actually care what's fair anymore - it's a race to the bottom...

I'm Scottish so I fear if Brexit does indeed go ahead it'll all but guarantee an independent Scotland (if Westminster approves another ref). The concern I have with this is the same one I have with leaving the EU - it'll make trade with our biggest market more difficult... Scotland exports most of it's good to the rest of the UK, just as the UK exports most of it's good to the EU...

It's all a complete cluster-fuck... And to think, that as a Scot, I may be looking at 1 or possibly 2 more referendums... I'm exhausted just thinking about it!

All of those votes where before Brexit, though. The Scottish vote especially partially failed because they would have left the EU that way, too.

So, let them all have another Referendum first, not just Scotland. All 3 voted remain after all, Gibraltar even by over 90%.

Imagine if a candidate barely won an election but the opponent wouldn't accept it and was able to keep them from taking power, and somehow dragged it out for 4 years until the next election. That would be cool because, democracy, right? I tend to think if the winner was liberal and the opponent was conservative that it wouldn't be seen as ok, at least the msm and their viewers would see it that way.

That's a pretty bad comparison so I don't know why you'd want us to imagine it. The reason for why it has taken this many years isn't because the Stay-side has refused to accept defeat but because the Brexiters has failed spectacularly in going through with Brexit. Perhaps if the Leave-side had had an actual plan and its leaders hadn't fled the field like cowards once the results was in, things had gone differently. Truth is though that they have had three years to come up with a solution but have not gotten anywhere.

Not allowing people to vote for Brexit again is like cancelling a general election because the ruling parties has yet to fulfill all of the promised reforms.

Too busy trying to imagine a worthwhile response to my point.

It was only about the anti-democratic point. It wasn't really based directly on what is happening with Brexit. Either way, if the winner in my scenario didn't really have much of a plan and platform and wouldn't have gotten much accomplished anyway, then it wouldn't be much different. It's not like the stay side and the EU is going out of their way to make things super easy for the Brexiters to move ahead with their agenda.

First, trading blocs =/= customs union so EFTA and especially NAFTA do not prevent those signatory countries from making trade deals with other countries ... 

Second, the AU and USAN are solely political unions and nothing more but the latter is pretty dead since most members have withdrawn from the organization ...

Third, this just leaves Caricom which doesn't have a whole lot of negotiating power (by which the UK alone is at least 20x bigger in market size) and the EAEU that consists of former satellite Russian states like Belarus ... 

Trade deals can still pretty much be done on an individual basis because either a customs union doesn't have a lot of clout or a country is not in a customs union. Despite the EU being the 2nd biggest single market economy, it does not guarantee the bloc a stronger bargaining power because what matters most in leverage is a strategic monopoly so the EU is pretty much forced to buy valuable digital electronics from small players such as Taiwan, South Korea or Japan and they can practically name whatever price they want unless the EU is willing to take a hit in productivity if they change their geopolitical interest to have an independent high-end technology sector! Heck, the EU is not gonna put sanctions on natural gas imports from Russia anytime soon since they have very few options for suppliers ... 

@Bold At least the DUP definitely will ...

Wouldn't be either EU or the UK's fault in case of no deal. Up to Ireland since both of them aren't interested in a hard Irish border and it's totally Ireland's obligation to meet either the single market regulations or the Good Friday Agreement. The Good Friday Agreement NEVER stipulated that Northern Ireland must be in a customs union so let's get rid of the myth that it's the UK who's the one breaking the Good Friday Agreement because that's not how bilateral international treaties work ... 

Who gives a shit about the other countries interests ? What's good for the other members states is not necessarily good for the UK ... 

Sometimes compromise is not acceptable so that just means that both the EU and the UK go on their own separate ways. If the EU are only interested in being ideologically pure to promote neoliberalism then the likes of France, Germany, and the others had better be prepared to take the chance at wrecking their own nation in the process to make FoM or the SM succeed instead of placing risks on an unwilling participant (UK) ...  

The UK would not be in this fucking disaster of a mess had it not been for Tony Blair inflicting austerity on older people but I guess it's gotta be this way because the british public decided that the price of EU membership/SM is not worth the added +2M extra lives to provide for ... 

It's ironic how what the EU embraced (open borders) is going to end up becoming their anathema when the main continent is all of a sudden going to find themselves with another +2M lives along with the possibility of the SM being undermined by a backdoor LEL ... 

It's not just the member fee, the bill includes jobs and pensions for EU migrants as well which will easily balloon into hundreds of billions of pounds ... 

The working class UK citizens are definitely jealous because like it or not they do want these jobs! They want to be able to earn and live a half decent life as well if it means less than ideal labour. You underestimate just how exactly desperate the lower classes are ... 

It's not ALL about the middle class like you keep thinking! The working class and the middle classes interests have become divided ... 

Immigration had very little effect on depressing the wages so local minimum wage laws very clearly still applies to them. CAP doesn't benefit the British farmers and in fact currently gives them a yearly deficit of of 1B euros so who gives a fuck if the UK aren't going to receive yearly subsidies (more like bills) ? The UK isn't competitive because they are stuck footing the other member's bills despite the fact that they keep banning the most competitive methods to agriculture like GM foods, chlorinated chicken, and hormone treated beef ... 

Europe's disaster policies just give their citizens less to eat and less energy to use in general compared to the Americans ... 

The issue with your point is that no one is keeping the Leave-side from taking power, they are in power. The problem is that the Leave-side can't agree upon a single solution and that is why, three years later, Brexit still hasn't happened. Sure, the EU is not helping them but why should they bend over for the Brexiters? That's not their job, they should look after the interests of the union. And the opposition in the UK is doing what an opposition usually does in a democracy. They oppose that which they don't agree on. That's their job.

He actually has valid point in comparison to the others trying to make false equivalencies between a real democratic (elections/referendums) mandate and a non-democratic (parliament) mandate ... 

It's very clearly the stay-side's fault that their holding the public hostage by not implementing the result. There's ~400 MPs who are actively trying to sabotage a direct democratic mandate and aside from the SNPs, many of them are of the toxic and bitter legacy of the blairites/thatcherites who refuse to own up to the results ...

Most brexiteers and especially the leaders are not the ones being indecisive and desire no deal most of all but it sucks that the parliament can't contemplate the only realistic option and instead keeps deciding to tyrannically delay implementing the result ... 

It's very clearly the stay-side that needs to stop being on the fence and decide what sort of way they want to leave ...

What is "valid" is a matter of opinion but that doesn't mean no deal is not a real plan and yes it is indeed the stay-side at fault because majority of the MPs who campaigned for remaining are still shamelessly taking their parliamentary seats not properly representing their own constituencies instead of resigning or abstaining in disgrace ... 

Leavers can't do shit because there's ~400 fucking remainers in parliament willing to keep hostage of a democratic mandate that their supposed to implement like any real functioning democracy ...  

You tell me, what in the hell is a vote supposed to mean in democracy that DOESN'T implement the result ? It's become more of a disturbing authoritarian pattern among my generation to just straight up want to ignore the outcome whenever it suits them but if that's the direction we're going in then it'd be best for them and the others to declare in their own ultimatum that they're NOT democratic and in fact want to be dictators ...

Finding principled people are hard these days but I guess they're the dying breed when being an authoritarian technocratic elite like the communists at the other side of the world is becoming more popular among the young ...