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July NPD - #1 X360, 277k, PS3 148k, Wii 190k, 3DS <115k

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nightsurge said:
So just to get this straight, the PS3 was overtracked another 50k again, the Wii still overtracked a bit, and the 360 undertracked a tad but not much at all.

Is that the conclusion we have reached? And as a whole the 360 has been ~200k undertracked for the year in the Americas?

NPD apparently had Wii at 190k according to Pachter, so it was actually undertracked a little bit, just like the 360.

VGC's overall sales to shipment numbers are pretty good right now, so if the 360 has been undertracked in the Americas, it most likely also means that it was overtracked in EMEAA, so the worldwide gain would be nothing.



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RolStoppable said:
nightsurge said:
So just to get this straight, the PS3 was overtracked another 50k again, the Wii still overtracked a bit, and the 360 undertracked a tad but not much at all.

Is that the conclusion we have reached? And as a whole the 360 has been ~200k undertracked for the year in the Americas?

NPD apparently had Wii at 190k according to Pachter, so it was actually undertracked a little bit, just like the 360.

VGC's overall sales to shipment numbers are pretty good right now, so if the 360 has been undertracked in the Americas, it most likely also means that it was overtracked in EMEAA, so the worldwide gain would be nothing.

I agree with that. Though, I have a feeling this current quarter shipments will be much higher due to price cuts taking place late this month/early September. I fell like stock levels for 360 and PS3 both were rather low as of the last shipment data because of the impending price cuts and SKU changes.

Hopefully only one more week till we find out for sure!!



bmmb1 said:
kitler53 said:

first ... to say ps3 under tracked and wii over tracked. (someone had to)  :P

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


i win at losing!  xD



500k in stock just normal for 360
Undertracked is undertracked,even that means EMEAA overtracked



nightsurge said:

I agree with that. Though, I have a feeling this current quarter shipments will be much higher due to price cuts taking place late this month/early September. I fell like stock levels for 360 and PS3 both were rather low as of the last shipment data because of the impending price cuts and SKU changes.

Hopefully only one more week till we find out for sure!!

Everything would be a lot easier if Sony and Microsoft provided a regional breakdown of their shipments like Nintendo does. Microsoft never did, but Sony did at least up until March 2007. Then they changed their accounting practices, most likely due to embarrassing PS3 and PSP performance. (PS3 production shipments would have started to look ridiculous in comparison with sellthrough and the PSP had shipped 10k units to America between January and March 2007.)



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kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
kowenicki said:
Zlejedi said:
Hyruken said:

Have to agree with Kowenicki here.

Understand you wanting to defend the numbers ioi but all indicators point to the PS3 numbers being either over-tracked or the 360 numbers being under-tracked. We have multiple reports now from EEDAR and with the recent shipment data it would back up NPDs claims that worldwide 360 could actually go on to sell more worldwide. Even Industrygamers said a week or so ago they think 360 could be leading. Where as you have PS3 quite comfortably ahead by about 20k a week or so.
Point being as Kowenicki says there should be nothing between them. They should be neck and neck. There is little to no evidence nor indicators to show PS3 is doing as your numbers suggest. On the contrary these numbers actually represent their worst month since april 2009. Pre-price cut numbers. The numbers are almost on par with those in early 2007 where they were around the 135k mark.

I think it is pretty safe to assume either 360 is under-tracked or PS3 is over-tracked based on the recent evidence/numbers/reports/shipment data etc.

EDIT: Just to back up what i said a bit more here is eurogamers report from today http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-08-12-ms-xbox-360-to-end-2011-as-global-no-1  (360 to end 2011 as global no 1).

 

I agree that in 2011 numbers PS3 is overtracked but it is a result of PS3 being undertracked in previous years only very recently we have reached acceptable similarity of stock levels for those two.

why would they have similar stock levels if one is supposedly outselling the other by 20k per week and is available in many more markets than the other?


Why would one have 2 milion units in stock while other 500k if all those small markets accounted to 20k diffrence ?

well it wouldnbt... but that isnt the case is it.

I am referring to the numbers as they are now.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=129135&page=-1#1

Yes and I'm refereing to the numbers as they have been for several previous years.



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I said this before, but what really hasnt changed is the weekly numbers based on the evidence presented by NPD and others. Week after week the ratio of 360 to PS3 to Wii should be adjusted. I find it odd that after a NPD comes out and 360 is under tracked a touch and PS3 is overtracked by about 25% that the calculations for weekly NA numbers arent tweeked.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

sales2099 said:


360 = 277

PS3 = 148

Considering how ps3 gamers are always raving about their 2011 exclusives versus 360 which isnt getting any big hitters until september.....id say thats downright embarrassing for Sony. 


I am not normally doing this but what the heck! since the bolded is a very unneeded remark.

Japan numbers for July (m-create)

PS3= 90.269k

360=6.912K

note* didn't include 3 days of july.

Must be very very embarrasing for MS. 



NoCtiS_NoX said:
sales2099 said:


360 = 277

PS3 = 148

Considering how ps3 gamers are always raving about their 2011 exclusives versus 360 which isnt getting any big hitters until september.....id say thats downright embarrassing for Sony. 


I am not normally doing this but what the heck! since the bolded is a very unneeded remark.

Japan numbers for July (m-create)

PS3= 90.269k

360=6.912K

note* didn't include 3 days of july.

Must be very very embarrasing for MS. 

1.this year NPD July didn't include 1st,2nd and 31st

2.90.269-6.912=83.357,277-148=129

3.everyone(even MS)know 360 in Japan is dead,is that really embarrasing?

btw,this is NPD thread



Blood_Tears said:
sales2099 said:
psrock said:
Seece said:
psrock said:
Just horrible sales across the board.

Rubbish, 277k for X360 in its 6th July is great, 2nd highest July for the console by a margin.


277k with many being given out for free does not impress me. 


360 = 277

PS3 = 148

Considering how ps3 gamers are always raving about their 2011 exclusives versus 360 which isnt getting any big hitters until september.....id say thats downright embarrassing for Sony. 

I don't get it, i am supposed to be embarrassed because PS3 only sold 148k units this month and therefore that negates every PS3 exclusive i have played this year and will play in the next few months because of NPD. I think your post is pathetic.


I think its pathetic as to what you think constitutes as a "pathetic" post :)

I wasn't even talking to you, nice job being a little sensitive to see that post that wasnt directed towards you and take offense to it :P

Im just saying.....ps3 is supposed to have all this exclusive content out this year.....and yet it isnt moving systems. 360 is outselling it in NA so easily with little by comparison. 

Ya, id say thats embarassing for Sony. I dont care what you play, numbers tell all. 



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