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Fab_GS on 07 April 2010
jneul said:
haha Im back lol, i'm still trying to platinum this game, it is taking forever lol

Welcome back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Fab_GS on 07 April 2010
g-value said:

I have a problem with the final fight in Final Fantasy XIII. For pretty much the entire second half of the game, the party was working to not go along with Barthandelus plan to having them destroy Orphan which would cut the power given to Eden. They even spent the last 2 chapters of the game trying to prevent the Calvary from killing him. But when they confronted Orphan, they fought him and were aiming to take him down without a second thought. I was like "WTF, I thought you guys were trying to protect Cocoon, why are you trying to kill now what you've been trying from the whole second half of the game not to kill in order to save Cocoon?" Did I miss something here? Is this another result of this so called "bad translation" I've been hearing the NA version of FFXIII got?

 

From Final Fantasy Wikia:-

"Orphan is now awake and rises from the pool, accepting its fate if it will mean the return of the Maker. Believing that they if they can destroy Cocoon, they can also save it, the party attacks the fal'Cie. Orphan is destroyed and its death cuts off all power to Cocoon, disrupting the gravity field that is holding the planet in place above Pulse."



g-value on 07 April 2010
Fab_GS said:
g-value said:

I have a problem with the final fight in Final Fantasy XIII. For pretty much the entire second half of the game, the party was working to not go along with Barthandelus plan to having them destroy Orphan which would cut the power given to Eden. They even spent the last 2 chapters of the game trying to prevent the Calvary from killing him. But when they confronted Orphan, they fought him and were aiming to take him down without a second thought. I was like "WTF, I thought you guys were trying to protect Cocoon, why are you trying to kill now what you've been trying from the whole second half of the game not to kill in order to save Cocoon?" Did I miss something here? Is this another result of this so called "bad translation" I've been hearing the NA version of FFXIII got?

 

From Final Fantasy Wikia:-

"Orphan is now awake and rises from the pool, accepting its fate if it will mean the return of the Maker. Believing that they if they can destroy Cocoon, they can also save it, the party attacks the fal'Cie. Orphan is destroyed and its death cuts off all power to Cocoon, disrupting the gravity field that is holding the planet in place above Pulse."

If that is the case, then what in the world gave them the idea that destorying Cocoon will also save it?



c0rd on 07 April 2010

Haha, okay, nice. Obviously I wasn't the only one confused about what the hell was going on...



lestatdark on 07 April 2010
jneul said:
haha Im back lol, i'm still trying to platinum this game, it is taking forever lol

Welcome back Jneul ;) How far are you in the game? 



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lestatdark on 07 April 2010
KylieDog said:
g-value said:
Fab_GS said:
g-value said:

I have a problem with the final fight in Final Fantasy XIII. For pretty much the entire second half of the game, the party was working to not go along with Barthandelus plan to having them destroy Orphan which would cut the power given to Eden. They even spent the last 2 chapters of the game trying to prevent the Calvary from killing him. But when they confronted Orphan, they fought him and were aiming to take him down without a second thought. I was like "WTF, I thought you guys were trying to protect Cocoon, why are you trying to kill now what you've been trying from the whole second half of the game not to kill in order to save Cocoon?" Did I miss something here? Is this another result of this so called "bad translation" I've been hearing the NA version of FFXIII got?

 

From Final Fantasy Wikia:-

"Orphan is now awake and rises from the pool, accepting its fate if it will mean the return of the Maker. Believing that they if they can destroy Cocoon, they can also save it, the party attacks the fal'Cie. Orphan is destroyed and its death cuts off all power to Cocoon, disrupting the gravity field that is holding the planet in place above Pulse."

If that is the case, then what in the world gave them the idea that destorying Cocoon will also save it?

 

Dr Who.  Dr Who is also that one that told Ragnarok that instead of being a destroyer he could just switch to being a savior for no reason whatsoever. 

Ragnarok's goal was to destroy Cocoon, not pulse. So it accomplished that goal, but by destroying Cocoon, it would also mean the end of Pulse. Really, it's just a matter of logical deduction to see why Ragnarok transformed Cocoon into a crystal and why the two of them sacrificed themselves.

As the last of the Pulsians, it was the only legacy they could leave behind in a world they no longer had any place in, Pulse belonged to the freed humans of Cocoon. Freed from Fal'Cie oppression and manipulation, humanity had the chance to start anew on Pulse. If Pulse was destroyed by the fall of Cocoon, humanity wouldn't have much of a chance, would they ? 



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lestatdark on 07 April 2010
KylieDog said:
A nice theory, but it ignores what 75% of the game makes very clear.

What does it actually ignore? Ragnarok destroys Cocoon which is it's objective from the start. I mean, they even complete their focus and had their marks removed. 

Why the hell would it also destroy Pulse? That is what wouldn't make any sense. If you think of it logically, there's no other explaining for why they did what they did.  



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lestatdark on 07 April 2010
KylieDog said:

Bad writing explains it.  Complete cop-out ending, taking everything the game established and just making it out to be bullshit with no reason besides 'Oh, you can actually do this despite story and files and everything else saying otherwise".  It wasn't destroyed by Ragnarok anyway, Cocoon was screwed regardless of what Ragnarok did (which was nothing until he turned up and saved the day).



Would be like if in Lord of Rings mankind lost and Sauron gained back the ring, only then it turns out he is good and orcs and mankind lived happily ever after.

It was destroyed by Ragnarok, as it was forseen in the vision. If you pay any attention to the vision that they had, you'll see that it progressed exactly as they saw it. 

I agree with the bad writting, as a lot of things were left unexplained, but seriously, it's just a matter of logical deduction. You never knew what would happen if Cocoon was destroyed, but you could clearly see that it wouldn't have been a good thing for Pulse either way. I mean, Cocoon is a huge planetoid just above Pulse. Whatever happened, Pulse was also majorly screwed.

So Ragnarok acted it's part. As a destroyer and a saviour. It comes out of the blue, but it does what Ragnarok itself means.

Also, to think that Ragnarok was inherently evil is to look at the game just by Cocoon's POV. Like I said, the visit to Pulse and Oerba made everything perfectly clear. Ragnarok had to exist in order for humanity to have a second opportunity, or else they just would fall to the Fal'Cie plan to make the Maker re-appear at the expense of humankind.  



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mitsuhide on 07 April 2010

well mission 64 has gone splendedly so far... one wrong paradigm change when Vercingetorix was sub 1million hp and his Wicked Whirl destroys me, not frustrating in the slightest...



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a12331 on 07 April 2010

Can some one tell me why Lightning the main character and not vanille?