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BladeOfGod said:
Banned2010 said:
BladeOfGod said:
1st of all its not VERY successful. it lost over 1 billion on RROD, it lost a lot of money on launch day and god knows how much money MS spend on money hating playstation games. im not saying its not successful but its not VERY successful.

1. 1 year head start
2. money hating playstation games
3.xbox live


WOW, IF your weren't so biased then maybe you could see that all the money they lost is coming back very fast. IF your logic is true then ps3 is crashing in flames, which it is not.

The exclusive money spent on games is made back from the sales .  rrod is fixed and atleast it shows that they are willing to stick by there product, ps2 never got fixed and the warranty was never extended and how many broke. I went through 3..

I think they are doing great and if natal goes well we will see wii type sales.

reasons for success

xbox live

exclusives stollen from sony

extension of warranty

fixing rrod

exclusive games, halo, gears, mass effect, fable, left 4 dead

extra downloadable content.

1 year head start

FUTURE SUCCESS

NATAL will grab all wii fans looking for a new experience. getting japanese developers hyped about a way to push the japanese market

Money is coming back but its not coming back ''fast''. Its gonna take a while to patch all Xbox 1 's losses ( 6 billion ). I am not gonna argue about PS3 since this thread is not about it. RROD is not far from fixed. Reduced? Yes. Fixed? No. And dont try to compare 360's failure rate with PS2's failure rate. Sony fixed PS2 disc reading error within a year while we can still se people getting RROD 5 yrars after 360's launch.

 

Now you reasons for succses.

Xbox Live - YES

exclusives stolen from Sony - YES

extension of warranty- NO

fixing RROD- its not fixed yet.

exclusive games- YES

Extra DLC- NO (50 million paid to Rockstar games for GTA IV DLC, and there are rumors it might come to PS3)

1 year headstart-obviously YES, its the only reason why its still ahead of PS3


That 6 billion loss on Xbox 1 was written off long ago, it has no bearing now at all.  Microsoft have enough money in their banks to fund further assaults on the console market.  The difference with a company like Sony is they're practically bankrupt and cannot afford to keep losing money posting losses.  The long term outlook for both companies is Microsoft can decide whether they want to launch a console next gen, Sony on the other hand will need to justify they can turn a profit next time to their shareholders as another 5 billion lost would near enough sink the company.

The PS2 laser issues were never sorted, that's just denial.  I work with a colleague who spent most of last generation calibrating and repairing PS2 lasers, they were terribly unreliable even in the slim revisions.  RROD will never vanish completely on the 360 because its a reporting mechanism for all faults, its impossible to have 100% reliability on a console.  I've repaired over 30 Jaspers now and close to 50 probably and never seen a RROD, they're a vast improvement, thats fact.  If you want to argue about 360's being unreliable now then I'd start on the Liteon DVD drives with their crap lasers, seems they really do want to copy Sony's PS2 model this gen after all.



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Mendicate Bias said:
solidpumar said:
1) 1 year head start
2) Great marketing and focus in USA, which has influence in the entire world
3) pirates also buy the console
4) more than 1 xbox 360 per household due to RRoD fears (1 spare console for when the other is in repair)
5) Live subscription model which garantee a stead amount of income so they can lower prices, appearing more cheaper than the Ps3 while in reality in the long run the competitor would be cheaper.

Seriously...

Besides the fact that I don't know a single person with more than one 360

I mean seriously...

 

 


Hi I'm slowmo, now you know me I have 3 360's (Upstairs, Downstairs, JTAG exploitable box). 

I agree his point is mad but there are a fair few owners out there with multiple 360's in their household.  I have 3 friends on my friends list on Live that have 2.



slowmo said:
BladeOfGod said:
Banned2010 said:
BladeOfGod said:
1st of all its not VERY successful. it lost over 1 billion on RROD, it lost a lot of money on launch day and god knows how much money MS spend on money hating playstation games. im not saying its not successful but its not VERY successful.

1. 1 year head start
2. money hating playstation games
3.xbox live


WOW, IF your weren't so biased then maybe you could see that all the money they lost is coming back very fast. IF your logic is true then ps3 is crashing in flames, which it is not.

The exclusive money spent on games is made back from the sales .  rrod is fixed and atleast it shows that they are willing to stick by there product, ps2 never got fixed and the warranty was never extended and how many broke. I went through 3..

I think they are doing great and if natal goes well we will see wii type sales.

reasons for success

xbox live

exclusives stollen from sony

extension of warranty

fixing rrod

exclusive games, halo, gears, mass effect, fable, left 4 dead

extra downloadable content.

1 year head start

FUTURE SUCCESS

NATAL will grab all wii fans looking for a new experience. getting japanese developers hyped about a way to push the japanese market

Money is coming back but its not coming back ''fast''. Its gonna take a while to patch all Xbox 1 's losses ( 6 billion ). I am not gonna argue about PS3 since this thread is not about it. RROD is not far from fixed. Reduced? Yes. Fixed? No. And dont try to compare 360's failure rate with PS2's failure rate. Sony fixed PS2 disc reading error within a year while we can still se people getting RROD 5 yrars after 360's launch.

 

Now you reasons for succses.

Xbox Live - YES

exclusives stolen from Sony - YES

extension of warranty- NO

fixing RROD- its not fixed yet.

exclusive games- YES

Extra DLC- NO (50 million paid to Rockstar games for GTA IV DLC, and there are rumors it might come to PS3)

1 year headstart-obviously YES, its the only reason why its still ahead of PS3


That 6 billion loss on Xbox 1 was written off long ago, it has no bearing now at all.  Microsoft have enough money in their banks to fund further assaults on the console market.  The difference with a company like Sony is they're practically bankrupt and cannot afford to keep losing money posting losses.  The long term outlook for both companies is Microsoft can decide whether they want to launch a console next gen, Sony on the other hand will need to justify they can turn a profit next time to their shareholders as another 5 billion lost would near enough sink the company.

The PS2 laser issues were never sorted, that's just denial.  I work with a colleague who spent most of last generation calibrating and repairing PS2 lasers, they were terribly unreliable even in the slim revisions.  RROD will never vanish completely on the 360 because its a reporting mechanism for all faults, its impossible to have 100% reliability on a console.  I've repaired over 30 Jaspers now and close to 50 probably and never seen a RROD, they're a vast improvement, thats fact.  If you want to argue about 360's being unreliable now then I'd start on the Liteon DVD drives with their crap lasers, seems they really do want to copy Sony's PS2 model this gen after all.

i stopped reading after bolded part



BladeOfGod said:
slowmo said:
BladeOfGod said:
Banned2010 said:
BladeOfGod said:
1st of all its not VERY successful. it lost over 1 billion on RROD, it lost a lot of money on launch day and god knows how much money MS spend on money hating playstation games. im not saying its not successful but its not VERY successful.

1. 1 year head start
2. money hating playstation games
3.xbox live


WOW, IF your weren't so biased then maybe you could see that all the money they lost is coming back very fast. IF your logic is true then ps3 is crashing in flames, which it is not.

The exclusive money spent on games is made back from the sales .  rrod is fixed and atleast it shows that they are willing to stick by there product, ps2 never got fixed and the warranty was never extended and how many broke. I went through 3..

I think they are doing great and if natal goes well we will see wii type sales.

reasons for success

xbox live

exclusives stollen from sony

extension of warranty

fixing rrod

exclusive games, halo, gears, mass effect, fable, left 4 dead

extra downloadable content.

1 year head start

FUTURE SUCCESS

NATAL will grab all wii fans looking for a new experience. getting japanese developers hyped about a way to push the japanese market

Money is coming back but its not coming back ''fast''. Its gonna take a while to patch all Xbox 1 's losses ( 6 billion ). I am not gonna argue about PS3 since this thread is not about it. RROD is not far from fixed. Reduced? Yes. Fixed? No. And dont try to compare 360's failure rate with PS2's failure rate. Sony fixed PS2 disc reading error within a year while we can still se people getting RROD 5 yrars after 360's launch.

 

Now you reasons for succses.

Xbox Live - YES

exclusives stolen from Sony - YES

extension of warranty- NO

fixing RROD- its not fixed yet.

exclusive games- YES

Extra DLC- NO (50 million paid to Rockstar games for GTA IV DLC, and there are rumors it might come to PS3)

1 year headstart-obviously YES, its the only reason why its still ahead of PS3


That 6 billion loss on Xbox 1 was written off long ago, it has no bearing now at all.  Microsoft have enough money in their banks to fund further assaults on the console market.  The difference with a company like Sony is they're practically bankrupt and cannot afford to keep losing money posting losses.  The long term outlook for both companies is Microsoft can decide whether they want to launch a console next gen, Sony on the other hand will need to justify they can turn a profit next time to their shareholders as another 5 billion lost would near enough sink the company.

The PS2 laser issues were never sorted, that's just denial.  I work with a colleague who spent most of last generation calibrating and repairing PS2 lasers, they were terribly unreliable even in the slim revisions.  RROD will never vanish completely on the 360 because its a reporting mechanism for all faults, its impossible to have 100% reliability on a console.  I've repaired over 30 Jaspers now and close to 50 probably and never seen a RROD, they're a vast improvement, thats fact.  If you want to argue about 360's being unreliable now then I'd start on the Liteon DVD drives with their crap lasers, seems they really do want to copy Sony's PS2 model this gen after all.

i stopped reading after bolded part

Thats because you're ignorant then, carry on trolling away you'll be banned soon enough.



slowmo said:
BladeOfGod said:
slowmo said:
BladeOfGod said:
Banned2010 said:
BladeOfGod said:
1st of all its not VERY successful. it lost over 1 billion on RROD, it lost a lot of money on launch day and god knows how much money MS spend on money hating playstation games. im not saying its not successful but its not VERY successful.

1. 1 year head start
2. money hating playstation games
3.xbox live


WOW, IF your weren't so biased then maybe you could see that all the money they lost is coming back very fast. IF your logic is true then ps3 is crashing in flames, which it is not.

The exclusive money spent on games is made back from the sales .  rrod is fixed and atleast it shows that they are willing to stick by there product, ps2 never got fixed and the warranty was never extended and how many broke. I went through 3..

I think they are doing great and if natal goes well we will see wii type sales.

reasons for success

xbox live

exclusives stollen from sony

extension of warranty

fixing rrod

exclusive games, halo, gears, mass effect, fable, left 4 dead

extra downloadable content.

1 year head start

FUTURE SUCCESS

NATAL will grab all wii fans looking for a new experience. getting japanese developers hyped about a way to push the japanese market

Money is coming back but its not coming back ''fast''. Its gonna take a while to patch all Xbox 1 's losses ( 6 billion ). I am not gonna argue about PS3 since this thread is not about it. RROD is not far from fixed. Reduced? Yes. Fixed? No. And dont try to compare 360's failure rate with PS2's failure rate. Sony fixed PS2 disc reading error within a year while we can still se people getting RROD 5 yrars after 360's launch.

 

Now you reasons for succses.

Xbox Live - YES

exclusives stolen from Sony - YES

extension of warranty- NO

fixing RROD- its not fixed yet.

exclusive games- YES

Extra DLC- NO (50 million paid to Rockstar games for GTA IV DLC, and there are rumors it might come to PS3)

1 year headstart-obviously YES, its the only reason why its still ahead of PS3


That 6 billion loss on Xbox 1 was written off long ago, it has no bearing now at all.  Microsoft have enough money in their banks to fund further assaults on the console market.  The difference with a company like Sony is they're practically bankrupt and cannot afford to keep losing money posting losses.  The long term outlook for both companies is Microsoft can decide whether they want to launch a console next gen, Sony on the other hand will need to justify they can turn a profit next time to their shareholders as another 5 billion lost would near enough sink the company.

The PS2 laser issues were never sorted, that's just denial.  I work with a colleague who spent most of last generation calibrating and repairing PS2 lasers, they were terribly unreliable even in the slim revisions.  RROD will never vanish completely on the 360 because its a reporting mechanism for all faults, its impossible to have 100% reliability on a console.  I've repaired over 30 Jaspers now and close to 50 probably and never seen a RROD, they're a vast improvement, thats fact.  If you want to argue about 360's being unreliable now then I'd start on the Liteon DVD drives with their crap lasers, seems they really do want to copy Sony's PS2 model this gen after all.

i stopped reading after bolded part

Thats because you're ignorant then, carry on trolling away you'll be banned soon enough.

if i was troling i would already get banned. carry on insulting away you'll be banned soon enough.



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Stating a fact is not trolling, your response was crude and you literally ignored my entire opinion. You acted ignorant, its not a personal insult just a fact based on your actions. Funny how many people in here consider you are trolling though isn't it.



slowmo said:
Stating a fact is not trolling, your response was crude and you literally ignored my entire opinion. You acted ignorant, its not a personal insult just a fact based on your actions. Funny how many people in here consider you are trolling though isn't it.

you think sony is going bankrup and that 360 recoverd Xbox's losses. Do i REALLY need to continiue this discussion?



BladeOfGod said:
slowmo said:
Stating a fact is not trolling, your response was crude and you literally ignored my entire opinion. You acted ignorant, its not a personal insult just a fact based on your actions. Funny how many people in here consider you are trolling though isn't it.

you think sony is going bankrup and that 360 recoverd Xbox's losses. Do i REALLY need to continiue this discussion?


I think Sony don't have 5 Billion dollars spare cash around to throw around next generation, does that mean you think they have?  Where did I say the 360 recovered Xbox losses, if you're going to attempt to debate seriously at least read my post.  I quite clearly stated that the original Xbox losses were written off by the company a long time ago, they don't need to make that money back.  Argue what I say not what you think I'm saying would be a good start if you want to continue. 

Sony probably wouldn't ever be allowed to go bankrupt by the Japanese government I would add, but their shareholders will not accept the gaming division losing money hand over fist forever.  In that regard if Microsoft have contributed to Sony's fall from grace then the 360 has indeed been very successful, that after all was one of their aims when joining the console race wasn't it (according to most rumours).  I don't know the actual figure by the way that would sink Sony, it will be a lot given their assets, perhaps you can find out if you're bothered.

 

Finally I pulled the 5 billion number for Sony out of my ass as I didn't bother checking how much they've lost on PS3 this gen although it's probably not far off being right.



from the hardware and performance perspective..360 has not proved as successful as PS3's. Well Games like MGS4 and UC2 are not possible on the platform. Well FFXIII fortunately found it's way on the console despite it's h/W limitations. Square Enix was kind enuf to turn the favor to M$.



GameAnalyser said:
from the hardware and performance perspective..360 has not proved as successful as PS3's. Well Games like MGS4 and UC2 are not possible on the platform. Well FFXIII fortunately found it's way on the console despite it's h/W limitations. Square Enix was kind enuf to turn the favor to M$.

What makes MGS4 and UC2 impossible for the 360?  I own both, and they are great games, but they aren't a generation ahead of games already available (and coming soon) on the 360.  Both consoles are very comparable.  And with the 360 being older technology and keeping pace with the PS3 technically, either the 360's performance is a success or the PS3's performance is a failure............