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gergroy on 24 January 2010
Khuutra said:
gergroy said:
Khuutra said:

So you came in here calling my opinion into question without playing any of the relevant games?

well, I have played those games and I have a different opinion then you.  For one, I would say the writing of KotoR 2 is the weakest part of the game.  The different story elements seemed to fall apart in the end and left you with a feeling of "is that it?" in the end.  I think the gameplay in KotoR 2 is improved from the first, but that is to be expected in a sequel.  

IMO, Bioware is still the best WRPG developer out there followed very closely by Bethesda with Obsidian taking 3rd place.  I still really like their games, but they haven't quite risen to Bioware or Bethesda standards.

I'm curious about what you think about their new game coming out Alpha Protocol.  I have tried to get myself interested in it because I really like Obsidian, but I just can't get excited about it.  How about you?

Well, first I need to clarify that, though the ending is broken, a half-finished thing..... the actual, finished ending, is rather sublimee. Wonderful, even. That's something you'd need the PC version to see, though. And the characters and world-building are light-years ahead of the first KotOR.

As to Alpha Protocol? Oh yes, very excited. I'm trying to stay away from details as much as possible, but I've seen enough to whet my appetite.

so they fixed the ending in the pc version?  I'll have to look into that then, because KotoR 2's gameplay was better, but that ending was just so horrid it ruined the whole game.  



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naznatips on 24 January 2010
Lurker said:
Munkeh111 said:
naznatips said:

ME2's conversation system is infantile in comparison. There are three options for everything, and they are always black, nuetral, and white decisions. No gray; no difficulty in deciding between right and wrong. If there's a 4th option it's nothing but gathering more information. The lore that they added to create the world of Mass Effect is expansive; until you realize it's again a small fraction of the vast universe they have created for Dragon Age.

And you want to talk about breaking immersion, how about the fact that anytime you make a single "evil" decision, even if your characters has been fucking angelic for the rest of the game, Shepard will become the evilest bastard in the universe for the remainder of the scene. This is especially hilarious if you played through the entire game Paragon then make the Renegade decision at the end and suddenly you're the fucking anti-christ.

At least with Dragon Age your character is a constantly evolving being, and there are decisions that are neither good nor evil. At least the sacrifices you're forced to make sometimes feel genuine, rather than just "which extremely annoying party member do you wish to kill?"

Yeah, Mass Effect is simpler, but I often find the DAO system overly compliacted, though much of the time the greyness of it is good until I make a mistake....

There is no progression of evil/good in DAO, you can change your mind massively from each sentence. You should still have free will to do what you want. There are certainly bigger choices in Dragon Age, and more meaningful, and hopefully that is something that will be addressed in Mass Effect 2

That's what makes it so good. There's no morality meter to get in the way. Makes you think more about the choices themselves rather than just picking the obvious Good or Evil choice.

Indeed. For example if you need money you can request it for services without being evil. You can choose whether to spare or destroy demons. They are demons, it's not evil to kill them, and it may be extra generous to spare them, but the decisions are much less chiseled in stone than they are in other games.



Munkeh111 on 24 January 2010
daggy said:
Munkeh111 said:
naznatips said:
Munkeh111 said:
naznatips said:
Munkeh111 said:

It isn't impossible, but I was in the fade, and kept being killed as soon as I entered a room, and I am enjoying the storyline now I don't have to worry about dying

@ nazna, the problem for me is that I think the storytelling is a step back from Mass Effect, and graphically, I think it is far inferior. The fact that the main character does not speak does bother me {my elf also looks a little pathetic)

I am planning on getting a much more powerful PC in the summer, and I think I will get Dragon Age again for the PC to see the proper version and try again with a different class

If your meassure of storytelling is extremely shallow, i.e. whether the main character is voice acted or not, I agree... otherwise the dialog options are far more nuanced, and the character development leagues ahead in Dragon Age. The storytelling shames Mass Effect, aside from a main character who doesn't talk....

Graphically it's about equal to ME on PC, but maybe a little worse. Regardless with the larger scale of battles (more enemies on screen, larger open environments for combat), it's easily on par if not better. It's a big downgrade on consoles, but you shouldn't judge a rushed port as the main version of a game.

Well, it ruins the immersion when you have a mute main character, and everyone else speaking. And ME 2's conversation system seems far more advanced. The character development is good, though sometimes I do feel there are too many main characters, Sten has done nothing but sit around really

I can only judge what is put in front of me and Dragon Age PS3 looks far worse that ME on 360, but as I say, I will get it on PC this summer probably

ME2's conversation system is infantile in comparison. There are three options for everything, and they are always black, nuetral, and white decisions. No gray; no difficulty in deciding between right and wrong. If there's a 4th option it's nothing but gathering more information. The lore that they added to create the world of Mass Effect is expansive; until you realize it's again a small fraction of the vast universe they have created for Dragon Age.

And you want to talk about breaking immersion, how about the fact that anytime you make a single "evil" decision, even if your characters has been fucking angelic for the rest of the game, Shepard will become the evilest bastard in the universe for the remainder of the scene. This is especially hilarious if you played through the entire game Paragon then make the Renegade decision at the end and suddenly you're the fucking anti-christ.

At least with Dragon Age your character is a constantly evolving being, and there are decisions that are neither good nor evil. At least the sacrifices you're forced to make sometimes feel genuine, rather than just "which extremely annoying party member do you wish to kill?"

Yeah, Mass Effect is simpler, but I often find the DAO system overly compliacted, though much of the time the greyness of it is good until I make a mistake....

There is no progression of evil/good in DAO, you can change your mind massively from each sentence. You should still have free will to do what you want. There are certainly bigger choices in Dragon Age, and more meaningful, and hopefully that is something that will be addressed in Mass Effect 2

There is no such thing as "mistake" in your decisions. You make a choice, and you stick to it, which is how you play RPGs.

The evil/good meter is one of the biggest crappy systems I've ever seen on RPGs. Thank god only a few RPGs use it.

A mistake is when I am not paying full attention and I don't choose the option that I meant



Huya on 24 January 2010

Yea they didn't have time to do a proper ending in Kotor2. I just hate the fact that they didn't continue with Revan's story. Also Kotor1 has for me the best plottwist so far in any videogame. And yea for all the people that said '' I ALREADY KNEW THAT WAS GONNA HAPPEN LOLOLOL''. You either saw spoilers or watched too many movies:p



MasterHien on 24 January 2010

Don't know if its the best RPG this gen but surely its one of the best this gen.
Played it and LOVED IT
Can't wait for Mass effect 2 on PC! From what the reviewers are saying game going to be BEASTLY!



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darthdevidem01 on 24 January 2010

The game got worse as it progressed

still a fantastic game I'd say, it was GOTY 2009 for me half way through, but after that it went downhill imo

best RPG this gen is Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion or possibly TWEWY so far

Ofcourse on March 9th the whole list gets turned upside down & then on March 14th the list gets turned upside down again

Basically I expect FF13 to take 1st & Pokemon Gold Remake to take 2nd, oblivion coming in at 3rd & dragon age at 4th.



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Slimebeast on 24 January 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
The game got worse as it progressed

still a fantastic game I'd say, it was GOTY 2009 for me half way through, but after that it went downhill imo

How it got worse?



Huya on 24 January 2010

ME2/FF13 for first spot imo!



darthdevidem01 on 24 January 2010
Slimebeast said:
darthdevidem01 said:
The game got worse as it progressed

still a fantastic game I'd say, it was GOTY 2009 for me half way through, but after that it went downhill imo

How it got worse?

The story got boring imho, it started to become cliched than it already was

THe morrigan carries your child thing was the only bit in the 2nd half that really impressed me depth & story wise, the rest all felt been there done that.

In the end I've still got the oblivion fever, that game was my first WRPG post KOTOR that I played like 3 - 4 years prior to playing Oblivon and the game still has a lasting impression on me.

Nothing has beaten the side quests in oblivion for me yet, the dark brotherhood, warriors clan & the mages one along with the really different kinds of side quests, beautiful world. I thought dragon age would give me the oblivion experience (that fallout 3 failed to give) but dragon age was completely different from oblivion.

Elder Scrolls V please betheasda.



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Lurker on 24 January 2010
darthdevidem01 said:
The game got worse as it progressed

Seemed to get more and more epic for me.