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okr on 20 January 2010
Barozi said:
okr said:
Just two corrections on some replies:
- Halo Wars is not the only good RTS game on consoles (Pikmin 1+2 and Swords & Soldiers are just 3 other examples).
- Civilization was never an RTS game on any platform and I bet my Sid Meier shrine it never will be.

RTS games on consoles are best if they are developed for the console. Two of the few exceptions to this rule (which I just invented) seem to be Tom Clancy's Endwar and the two Overlord games, which got decent ratings.
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First you say the Civilization series is not an RTS, which is absolutely correct and then you say Overlord is an RTS ?

I don't think so...

Yes, I think so and I'm not the only one:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/overlord_
http://www.thelegacy.de/Museum/77053/

Mobygames and thelegacy are among the better sites on the net when it comes to correctly categorizing games imo. I think "Action, Strategy" is a ggod genre categorization for this game. Of course you can put Overlord in the action adventure genre (like the publisher Codemasters or gamefaqs and many other gaming websites), just like they do with every game nowadays which doesn't fit 100% into one genre, but in my book it's foremost a 3D RTS game. Overlord is a mixture of Pikmin and Dungeon Keeper, which are both RTS games as well.

BTW: The Overlord developer themselves put headlines on their website http://www.climaxgroup.com/  such as: "Overlord Dark Legend - IGN E3 Runner Up Wii Strategy Game" and "IGN names Minions best DS strategy game".



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jneul on 20 January 2010

yeah like everyone said before me trying to play on an RTS game on PS3 is an painful experience if you have only used a PC before, even though it has keyboard and mouse support...
I would say keep you eye on "Under Siege" the RTS game being developed for motion control, it should be pretty good if they do it right.



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dahuman on 20 January 2010

Play RTS on PC....... mouse clicks and massive short cuts can't be done on consoles because they can't have mouse keyboard support due to the MP balance aspect, not everybody has the setup, and having seperate input matches would divide the community which is a bad idea.



binary solo on 20 January 2010

I'm mostly with those who say if you want to play RTS games play them on PC. There's so much to play on consoles that relative lack of RTS isn't really a major flaw.

Question is: would moving in to the RTS genre generate additional HW sales for the console maker, and profitable game sales for the developer/publisher?



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Barozi on 20 January 2010
okr said:
Barozi said:
okr said:
Just two corrections on some replies:
- Halo Wars is not the only good RTS game on consoles (Pikmin 1+2 and Swords & Soldiers are just 3 other examples).
- Civilization was never an RTS game on any platform and I bet my Sid Meier shrine it never will be.

RTS games on consoles are best if they are developed for the console. Two of the few exceptions to this rule (which I just invented) seem to be Tom Clancy's Endwar and the two Overlord games, which got decent ratings.
...

First you say the Civilization series is not an RTS, which is absolutely correct and then you say Overlord is an RTS ?

I don't think so...

Yes, I think so and I'm not the only one:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/overlord_
http://www.thelegacy.de/Museum/77053/

Mobygames and thelegacy are among the better sites on the net when it comes to correctly categorizing games imo. I think "Action, Strategy" is a ggod genre categorization for this game. Of course you can put Overlord in the action adventure genre (like the publisher Codemasters or gamefaqs and many other gaming websites), just like they do with every game nowadays which doesn't fit 100% into one genre, but in my book it's foremost a 3D RTS game. Overlord is a mixture of Pikmin and Dungeon Keeper, which are both RTS games as well.

BTW: The Overlord developer themselves put headlines on their website http://www.climaxgroup.com/  such as: "Overlord Dark Legend - IGN E3 Runner Up Wii Strategy Game" and "IGN names Minions best DS strategy game".

Whatever.

I'm just saying I own both main Overlord games and the strategy part makes up for around 15% of the game IMO.....



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alic18 on 20 January 2010
binary solo said:
I'm mostly with those who say if you want to play RTS games play them on PC. There's so much to play on consoles that relative lack of RTS isn't really a major flaw.

Question is: would moving in to the RTS genre generate additional HW sales for the console maker, and profitable game sales for the developer/publisher?


Well, maybe in time. Gaming in general is moving to a place where it isn't confined to the 'computer room'. Your TV/lounge is the hub now, why should we seperate ourselves from the house to game? I guess time will tell.

Also, i think the market is there - as we grow older (i'm 25 now), more people will transfer from PC's to consoles (as we work on a PC all day, why play on one 2!), thus the market may grow.. But yes you are correct, at the moment it's doubtful RTS will move consoles.



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Kantor on 20 January 2010

If you want to revisit the RTS genre, I advise that you revisit PC gaming. The PS3 does have a few titles, most notably Red Alert 3 and EndWar, but the quality and sheer quantity of the titles is nowhere near as high as the home of RTS- the PC. I would say that RTS, MMO and to a certain extent FPS, are the genres that belong on PC, while Fighting, RPG, Action Adventure and similar games are better on consoles.



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daiyumn on 20 January 2010
dsister44 said:
No. Most RTS's on console(With really the only exception of Halo Wars on 360) have been pretty bad. especially if you can get them on the PC

True dat.



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dahuman on 20 January 2010
alic18 said:
binary solo said:
I'm mostly with those who say if you want to play RTS games play them on PC. There's so much to play on consoles that relative lack of RTS isn't really a major flaw.

Question is: would moving in to the RTS genre generate additional HW sales for the console maker, and profitable game sales for the developer/publisher?


Well, maybe in time. Gaming in general is moving to a place where it isn't confined to the 'computer room'. Your TV/lounge is the hub now, why should we seperate ourselves from the house to game? I guess time will tell.

Also, i think the market is there - as we grow older (i'm 25 now), more people will transfer from PC's to consoles (as we work on a PC all day, why play on one 2!), thus the market may grow.. But yes you are correct, at the moment it's doubtful RTS will move consoles.

uh, I'm older than that and I'm in IT, but I've always been a multiplat gamer who doesn't have a specific favorite genre and enjoy gaming in general so I'll continue to game on PC and consoles.



dahuman on 20 January 2010
Barozi said:
okr said:
Barozi said:
okr said:
Just two corrections on some replies:
- Halo Wars is not the only good RTS game on consoles (Pikmin 1+2 and Swords & Soldiers are just 3 other examples).
- Civilization was never an RTS game on any platform and I bet my Sid Meier shrine it never will be.

RTS games on consoles are best if they are developed for the console. Two of the few exceptions to this rule (which I just invented) seem to be Tom Clancy's Endwar and the two Overlord games, which got decent ratings.
...

First you say the Civilization series is not an RTS, which is absolutely correct and then you say Overlord is an RTS ?

I don't think so...

Yes, I think so and I'm not the only one:
http://www.mobygames.com/game/overlord_
http://www.thelegacy.de/Museum/77053/

Mobygames and thelegacy are among the better sites on the net when it comes to correctly categorizing games imo. I think "Action, Strategy" is a ggod genre categorization for this game. Of course you can put Overlord in the action adventure genre (like the publisher Codemasters or gamefaqs and many other gaming websites), just like they do with every game nowadays which doesn't fit 100% into one genre, but in my book it's foremost a 3D RTS game. Overlord is a mixture of Pikmin and Dungeon Keeper, which are both RTS games as well.

BTW: The Overlord developer themselves put headlines on their website http://www.climaxgroup.com/  such as: "Overlord Dark Legend - IGN E3 Runner Up Wii Strategy Game" and "IGN names Minions best DS strategy game".

Whatever.

I'm just saying I own both main Overlord games and the strategy part makes up for around 15% of the game IMO.....

I agree, the overall complexity is gimped by the control, pretty much what FPS is right now when you are talking about PC vs consoles, just dumped down more and more. For example, this is my brother and I playing RA3 PC on hard just 3 days back on our first time playing, the amount of cheating the AI does is kinda impossible to beat on a game pad, and uh, excuse the language: