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theprof00 said:

famousringo said:
Let me tell youa story of two delis, located across the street from each other. The Wii Deli specializes in club sandwiches, and the HD Deli makes great big deluxe submarine sandwiches.

Threepee, a sandwich maker working at HD Deli, is having a hard time making ends meet. He makes a mean submarine sandwich, but there just aren't always enough people hungry for a submarine sandwich to pay the bills.

Threepee looks across the street, and sees people lined up to get into Wii Deli. Seeing dollar signs, Threepee walks across the street and asks the proprietor if he could use another sandwich maker. The propietor agrees, noting that he's having trouble meeting demand and customers like variety.

So Threepee starts selling sandwiches, only he can't afford to buy all the ingredients that he puts into his submarine sandwiches. That should be okay, because if these people wanted a submarine sandwich, they'd be across the street anyway. He doesn't want to compete with the propietor's club sandwiches, because he thinks people will just turn up their nose and buy from him. So Threepee makes cheese sandwiches: Just a couple pieces of Wonderbread with a slice of processed cheese in the middle.

At first, things go well. Customers are tired of waiting in line for club sandwiches, so they try a cheese sandwich for a little variety. Threepee thinks this is great, and starts making more and more cheese sandwiches.

But the customers aren't enthused. Where's the tomato? The turkey? It's a little unsatisfying. So they go back to waiting in line for club sandwiches.

Threepee's response to this development is anger. He's spent a lot of money on Wonderbread and processed cheese. Rather than trying to make club sandwiches, or coming up with a sandwich that's different, but just as satisfying, Threepee angrily blames the customers of the Wii Deli for not buying his sandwiches. He tells them that he thinks they're ignorant people who don't even like sandwiches and storms out of the deli.

Now tell me, do the customers of the Wii Deli have any reason to find Threepee annoying?

 

Except that grilled cheese is delicious, and when he throws in some chicken or tuna or tomato, people say "whatever, it's not a wiideli club sandwich". So, he tries making some wiideli sandwiches after thorough testing to suit the townspeople's tastes. So, he makes 3 new sandiwches and a lot of people buy them. He tries making some more new ones and people like them, but he only makes a few cents on every sandwich. But that's ok, he has established a brand and still has his 3 sandwiches. The next month, wiideli starts a new promotion: "Re-introducing the original sandwich". Threepee's sales drop into the toilet. Threepee looks at the situation and says "fine, I'll just sell exactly what they were just selling a month ago". Except nobody buys them.

Frustrated, he starts looking at his options. He then realizes that they live on an island in the pacific, and there are only 10 possible ingredients located there. He remembers that he already tried all the other combinations and summizes that he should try just putting more of each ingredient in each sandwich. So, he goes to his distributor and they tell him, "sorry, nobody is allowed to exceed the allowed amount. Sandwiches cannot exceed a certain weight, and you are already pushing the limits". So, threepee decides to move to the mainland. Even on the boat, the club sandwiches are three times bigger and are made from a selection of 50 ingredients. Completely exhausted, he wonders why he moved to the island in the first place.

 


FamousRingo's post: Full of Win.

prof00's post: Full of something else.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

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BladeOfGod said:
they are just jealous cuz they're not getting Batman AA, RE5, DMC4, Bioshock, MW2 ( maybe in 2014 ), AC 2, Bayonetta and lots of other awesome 3rd party games

Seriously, WHAT IS IT with you PS3 fans on this site? You guys have to be the most annoying twits around, bar none. I thought that Xbox360 fans were pretty terrible when it came to Wii trolling, but being here on VGChartz is starting to change my mind on that.



Arius Dion said:


FamousRingo's post: Full of Win.

prof00's post: Full of something else.

Interesting take on the metaphor.

Wii first party games: full of win

Wii third party games: Full of something else

 

 

I think you're post is probably the best metaphor, because people look down on the third party games even though they are the same.



Meh, what can I say. My natural reaction to this talk? This is why I loved the Gamecube. No good 3rd party support, some of the best 1st party offerings ever.



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Metallicube said:
Alterego-X said:

I have a strange feeling. 

Maybe it is just me whose perceptions changed, but I could swear, that nowadays the whole Nintendo community, and not just on this site, is a lot more supportive to Nintendo and hostile to 3rd parties than ever before, for example, a year ago.

 

In the past, there was cheerful optimism about all upcoming core third party games, and some blaming of Nintendo for not helping to get even more third party games. 

Nowadays, everyone starts to sound like Malstrom: "The Industry Must Die!", "None of them could make any good enough games!",  "Everything on-rails sucks!"

Even on generic core news sites, like Eurogamer, a comment pointing out how retarded Ubisoft is, and their best franchises should have Wii versions, can get voted up. 

Is it just me, or there is something in the winds?

Simple case of every action has an equal and opposite reaction.. Industry has turned hostile towards Nintendo and its fans, so its fans have responded by turning hostile to the industry.

Well considering the 'industry' (as in third parties) really started doing this on the N64, its actually been going on for well over 10 years.  The fact that Nintendo fans have been putting up with it this long is pretty amazing.  I mean, we went an entire system (GameCube) pretty much going 'good games are coming, we can wait'.  And now we've gone 3 YEARS thinking 'The Wii is outselling everything, third parties will eventually make the switch'.  But instead, third parties have done every thing possible to use, skip or even blatantly blame the Wii for bad support.  This is no longer something even a 'casual' fan can overlook.  The third parties are purposefully skipping over Nintendo systems.  Even to the point of some of those companies losing money to do it.

The thing is many of us knew Nintendo was slipping with those systems. The Wii is a success, and when the third parties are refusing to reward that success with proper support, and reward the HD systems for losing billions, I personally would like to smack some heads.



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theprof00 said:
Arius Dion said:


FamousRingo's post: Full of Win.

prof00's post: Full of something else.

Interesting take on the metaphor.

Wii first party games: full of win

Wii third party games: Full of something else

 

 

I think you're post is probably the best metaphor, because people look down on the third party games even though they are the same.

Stop it.  You are just being deliberately obtuse.



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i don't know if bitterness correct word. I feel that the Nintendo community is feeling this.

Developers are constantly saying shit about games don't sell, mature game's don't sell ect.

Yet what games are we given to prove that? we are given new IP's, not proven IP's. we are given clique games such as that insect game or madworld. Now i'm not saying those may or may not be good games. haven't played them because they don't interest me.

but we are not seeing a final fantasy #, a Teken, or other fighting games #, a shooter game # same release date, ect. So I think we are just frustrated by developers blaming or confused by us and their games sales when they are not putting their main games on our system.



theprof00 said:
Arius Dion said:


FamousRingo's post: Full of Win.

prof00's post: Full of something else.

Interesting take on the metaphor.

Wii first party games: full of win

Wii third party games: Full of something else

 

 

I think you're post is probably the best metaphor, because people look down on the third party games even though they are the same.

 First I gotta say, I'm glad you were cool enough not to be offended by my choice of words, it was meant to be a joke but some times intent on the internet is lost. So props for that.

But in no way shape or form are third party games on Wii matching in any way Nintendo's own offerings. There are exceptions, but very few. Now I don't believe this is just a matter of Nintendo being head and shoulders above them (though one could make an argument for that) because third parties have shown they can make fantastic games equal (or greater) to that of Nintendo themselves.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

theRepublic said:
theprof00 said:
Arius Dion said:


FamousRingo's post: Full of Win.

prof00's post: Full of something else.

Interesting take on the metaphor.

Wii first party games: full of win

Wii third party games: Full of something else

 

 

I think you're post is probably the best metaphor, because people look down on the third party games even though they are the same.

Stop it.  You are just being deliberately obtuse.

Yes, that is the exact metaphor for people who criticize the third party games.



guiduc said:
BladeOfGod said:
they are just jealous cuz they're not getting Batman AA, RE5, DMC4, Bioshock, MW2 ( maybe in 2014 ), AC 2, Bayonetta and lots of other awesome 3rd party games

Could you stop trolling here?

If you were in that situation, maybe you too you would be angry. We just don't get the games we deserve. We can only count on Nintendo, unfortunately.

That's the thing though. Why do you automatically "deserve" those games? Because of the Wii sales? No, you don't.

You guys cheer when games like Carnival Games sell a load. When Cabella's Big Game Hunter is outselling other big games. When Just Dance is selling a ton. Do you think the developers don't see these sales that you see?

When a quality 3rd party "core" game struggles to hit a million in sales on the Wii, but then when a party minigame compilation manages to sell 4 times as much (and probably for a much cheaper budget)... You really think the developers will continue to go the "core" route, and spend tons of money, when they can go the "casual" route and make a quick bundle of cash from some minigame collection?

Nintendo, more than anyone are to blame for the lack of "quality" 3rd party support on Wii. Due to how the machine has been advertised, and the audience it has attracted. It's a win/lose situation. Win, because the machine sells a ton every week. Lose, because it isn't getting those franchises the fans are obviously wanting.

Even then, Nintendo could bring them to the Wii if they really wanted to. They have more money than you or i could shake a stick at. Look at what Sony and Microsoft have been willing to do this gen just to gain a tiny bit of exclusive content. If Ninty really wanted the support for the fans, they could get it.