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LordTheNightKnight on 17 January 2010
steverhcp02 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Never played it but probably. But again, is this what the people bitching want? They want a game that was done 7 years ago? Whats the point in buying NEW games when theyve been done almost a decade ago?"

Twisting words. We're obviously mentioning that the features were there, so that the features can be on the Wii. Did you even read the context of the comment you replied to?

Yes i read it but you dont seem to understand the fact that when there are games like AC2, GTA, Bioshock, Uncharted, MW2 on the market you cant go into a timewarp and make a game like AC2 with the features from last gen, the games must progress not regress.

Wii is not last gen. You sound like you're stuck in a time warp. It has all the features, save for HD, just at lower specs. And GTA didn't start on those systems, so why are you including it? And MW2 uses the same engine that's on the Wii.

Your fact checking needs work.

And we're not asking for those games to make the Wii successful. We're asking for these games BECAUSE the Wii is successful.



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vaio on 18 January 2010
steverhcp02 said:
vaio said:
steverhcp02 said:
richardhutnik said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Ail said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Right, you could pull off Assassins creed without a living breathing city and massive landscapes and combat."

San Andreas had all those things. While that's too much for the PS1, it's not too much for the Wii, so all that gets sacrificed is an expensive coat of paint.

Have you played AC2 ?

You can climb every single building and move from top to top..

You can not interact with any San Andreas building, they are just blocks with shiny texture on top...

1. That was not among the things you listed.

2. Again, that was on the PS2, which the Wii would have room to add such abilities, even if it would have been too much on the PS2.

Couldn't you climb on top of the buildings in Spiderman 2 on the PS2, and also interact with the city?

Never played it but probably. But again, is this what the people bitching want? They want a game that was done 7 years ago? Whats the point in buying NEW games when theyve been done almost a decade ago?

now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, if you could make a game like that 7 years ago with a lesser console then why cant you make a new game with those features with the wii 7 years later? or atleast try to make one before complaining that your games dont sell on that platform.

As I said before all wii owners want is a serious effort from theese big corps nothing else and if that serious effort doesnt work out then atleast I will stop bitching and enjoy my Nintendo games but untill then i will bitch.

Heres my question for you then. Why would these companies make a "serious" effort that goes completely away from what the console itself is. By this i mean its CLEAR the audience and owners of the Wii are vastly dominated by folks who dont really give two shits about what youre argueing. The wii just had the most successful month i can remember without the stuff youre asking, this alone points to WHY this isnt being done.

If the user base was only those kind of gamers then I wouldnt be here arguing but obviously the userbase isnt only that kind. Why not make a serious effort on the console to reach that 1 000 000+ ammount of gamers on said platform? and then bitch about sales when they never even tried beyond their minimal efforts with their worst possible teams available?



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LordTheNightKnight on 18 January 2010
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

At the level when it showed they preferred those games over everything else.

And Monster Hunter 3 shows the vision can still be done, just with more imagination and talent than just thinking you need the best graphics.

They obviously are still prefering and wanting those type of games. The rest of the top 50 is just as bad.

Monster Hunter 3 is a huge, huge game. After the massive success of the games on PSP, 1 Million was all but guarenteed. It's surprising that it took so long to reach 1 Million IMO. And Monster Hunter 3 is one of the best looking Wii games out right now...

Which means any similar game from a hit series can do well on the Wii, since if the audience didn't want those games it would not have sold that many.



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Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Euphoria14 on 18 January 2010
vaio said:
Euphoria14 said:
vaio said:
Euphoria14 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe if these Wii owners bought Metroid Prime more than they did when it was released years ago third parties would have made them since they would have seen a big audience for it,"

That's just an excuse. Metroid Prime was not an FPS. That's like saying Zelda is GTA.

Fine then, tell Nintendo to make/get you a FPS.

They can get it for you if they really want to. We all know these companies will take the money.

Why so u guys can go on bitching about only Nintendo games sell?

and

why should Nintendo have to do everything themselves?

Don't you go lumping me in with that crowd. I have never bitched about any such thing.

Sorry meant no offense I was speaking in general terms there.

No problem.



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gekkokamen on 18 January 2010

@LordTheNightKnight

yeah but the Wii is not succesful because of those games, so why should you start selling Pasta if your successful selling burgers? beats me....



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steverhcp02 on 18 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
steverhcp02 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Never played it but probably. But again, is this what the people bitching want? They want a game that was done 7 years ago? Whats the point in buying NEW games when theyve been done almost a decade ago?"

Twisting words. We're obviously mentioning that the features were there, so that the features can be on the Wii. Did you even read the context of the comment you replied to?

Yes i read it but you dont seem to understand the fact that when there are games like AC2, GTA, Bioshock, Uncharted, MW2 on the market you cant go into a timewarp and make a game like AC2 with the features from last gen, the games must progress not regress.

Wii is not last gen. You sound like you're stuck in a time warp. It has all the features, save for HD, just at lower specs. And GTA didn't start on those systems, so why are you including it? And MW2 uses the same engine that's on the Wii.

Your fact checking needs work.

And we're not asking for those games to make the Wii successful. We're asking for these games BECAUSE the Wii is successful.

There is a GTA game from this gen, and those games i mentioned. You just need to accept that the reason the wii is successful has nothing to do with the crowd on these forums and rests with my step sister, my aunt and some of the pharmacists i work with.

Just because a console sells X number doesnt mean all of a sudden the people and demographics responsible for that go away.




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Carl on 18 January 2010
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

well to be fair u cant have a game on that list if its not made yet so u using that list is just not relevant now is it?

Every game on that list is made... And has been selling for 7+ weeks. Here...

what i was refering too is that u cant have a hardcore fps game on that list if its not made yet, and dont come in with ports or some low budget titles from smaller companies.

All wii owners want is a serious effort from the big corps!!!!

And most of those games i listed are part of the reason why the Wii isn't getting big hardcore FPS games or serious efforts.



                            

vaio on 18 January 2010
Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
vaio said:
Carl2291 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Maybe the best developers, directors and producers dont want to sacrifice their vision and scope at the expense of a userbase that mostly consists of people interested in carnival games, fitness games, and deca sports resort."

They stopped buying those. Did you even pay attention to recent news?

They might have stopped buying those specific games, but they didn't stop buying those type of games.

Top selling Wii games from this weeks top 25 that aren't Nintendo published, and don't feature any Nintendo characters (afaik)...

8. Just Dance
9. MW: Reflex
10. EA Sports Active
11. Your Shape ft. JM
13. LEGO SW
14. Band Hero
15. Deal or no Deal
16. Taiko something
18. NERF NStrike Elite
20. EA Sports Active +
21. Carnival Games Mini Golf
22. Toy Story Mania
24. Random long named Japanese game.
25. Hasbro Family Game Night 2

Did they really stop buying those?

well to be fair u cant have a game on that list if its not made yet so u using that list is just not relevant now is it?

Every game on that list is made... And has been selling for 7+ weeks. Here...

what i was refering too is that u cant have a hardcore fps game on that list if its not made yet, and dont come in with ports or some low budget titles from smaller companies.

All wii owners want is a serious effort from the big corps!!!!

And most of those games i listed are part of the reason why the Wii isn't getting big hardcore FPS games or serious efforts.

and thats backward thinking, those games cant show up on any list it they are not made, and even if they didnt sell like the mario games what reason is there to not make said games to reach the 1 000 000+ gamers that crave that kind of game on said platform?



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In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

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Is marijuana the best medicine?

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“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.

LordTheNightKnight on 18 January 2010

"yeah but the Wii is not succesful because of those games, so why should you start selling Pasta if your successful selling burgers? beats me...."

HD games are not pasta. They're burgers with loads of condiments pretending to be pasta.

"You just need to accept that the reason the wii is successful has nothing to do with the crowd on these forums"

I did not claim it is. So not only are you not doing fact checking, you aren't even reading the actual context of what I'm writing.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

vaio on 18 January 2010
gekkokamen said:
@LordTheNightKnight

yeah but the Wii is not succesful because of those games, so why should you start selling Pasta if your successful selling burgers? beats me....

because there is 1 000 000+ gamers on that platform that want those games thats why.

It´s only now against the wii that we se theese arguments, the gamecreators should try and reach their audince and not the other way around, and that audience exists in enough numbers on the Wii to make those games even if that audience isnt as big as on the HD twins.

The only reason i can think of is that they are lazy and dont want to figure the controlls out to make their games but seeing as Natal gets alot of that support there seems to be other reasons instead of the lazy one and i would like to know wich they are.



Vaio - "Bury me at Milanello"      R.I.P AC Milan

In the 60's, people took acid to make the world weird.
Now the world is weird  and people take Prozac  to make it normal.

If laughing is the best medicine and marijuana makes you laugh

Is marijuana the best medicine?

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

“If any creator has not played Mario, then they’re probably not a good creator. That’s something I can say with 100 percent confidence. Mario is, for game creators, the development bible.