Thw Wii never was a system where developers could do anything they want if they put forth the effort.  What third party developers want most of all is a system with enough power that they could use the readily available engines and focus on the content instead.  The Wii is so underpowered, if a developement team goes that route, they pretty much have to code everything with just the Wii in mind.  That would only happen if Nintendo had moved Wii upmarket.  But Nintendo got greedy, and in the third year of the life cycle, they focussed solely on things like Animal Crossing, and Wii Music, and then shifted focus again to Wii Fit.  If Nintendo had instead released a new hardcore IP that year, the picture today would be very different.  They should have led the way, because unlike other third parties Nintendo's top teams will only focus on the Wii.  How may AAA story drive games gas Nintendo done lately?  Sony was in a similar situation with dwindling support on PS3, but they pushed their first part and exclusive titles to the limits to make PS3 turn around.  They led by example, and now third parties have come around.

That is the big issue.

For one thing, Capcom couldn't wait to port as many of their "exclusive" GC games to the PS2 as they could. Now the only return they've given so far to the Wii was because they wanted to fix the flaws in that game, NOT because they felt the system should have more support.

So you want the staple and most regarded games ever to grace gaming  to be made on the least impresive hardware so that everyone (Gamers, Publishers, Developers, Analyst) compares them to the games that are using the best hardware and as a by product of that they would be reducing the franchise appeal and loose the praise and recognition that they have built for a long time.

You think that if Acti-Blizzard brings WOW to the WII and cuts the PC version the MMO fans will go to the WII? Nope they will find something else to play on the PC.

You think that if Acti-Blizzard brings COD to the WII and Cuts the HD Console/PC versions FPS fans will go to the WII? Nope they will find something else to play on the PC/console.

Do you think that if CAPCOM brings Biohazard to the WII and Cuts the HD Console/PC versions survival horror/action fans will go to the WII? Nope they will find something else to play on the PC/console.

Do you think that if konami brings MetalGear to the WII and Cuts the HD Console/PC versions stealth/infiltration fans will go to the WII? Nope they will find something else to play on the PC/console.

I could do this all day, you think gamers like the games just because of the Names and thats not the case, those games are the more highly regarded games and they have a huge fanbase because they are pushing the limits of what is posible on the  PC/console, and if they go to the WII yes sure people will buy it but it would sell less than what it does on the systems that are best suited to the habilities/capabilities of the developers and the audience that they know how to entice to buy their games en masse, it would harm their brand and prestige doing the exact opposite of what they have become famous for.

WII owners Stop asking for imaginary games, the only type of support that you were going to get on the WII is not with the main entries of the big frachises, for that reason you have nintendo. Instead you are getting great games and new IP that you completly ignore while you complain for games that will never come. If you want the type of games that are on the other consoles but still like the WII get a complementary system (HD Console/PC) if you can, if you cannot keep your complains to yourselfs as we gamers Dont care and cannot do anything, Sent emails directly to the Publishers/developers  of the games that you want on the WII or make you on website/forum to complain about it and Stop Making a CessPool of complaints in all the gaming forums, Thats pathetic, even worst when the WII has great Games on its own that are neglected while forum babies complaint about why imaginary game X doesnt get a main entry on the WII.

Enjoy your  great games and forget about the rest.

What does Nintendo 'leading the way' have to do with third parties jumping on board?  That got them nowhere on the N64 and GC.  And that got them nowhere on their monster first two years of the Wiis launch.  You know, when the Wii was selling out of stores upon arrival and Nintendo had games like Twilight Princess, Mario Galaxy and Smash Bros going head to head with all the major HD games.  And where did Sony or Microsoft 'lead the way' to gain the support of third parties back on the XBOX and PSX?  I see no coorilation with your 'leading the way' argument with the first part of your argument.

My statment of 'developers could do whatever they want' was meant to focus on how developers could develop games in any way they want, if they put their minds to it.  Sure, they couldn't go make some holographic game that let people jump into the Matrix and fly over the Grand Canyon at 300 FPS.  But within the Wiis boundaries, they could develop anything they wanted, if they just put forth the effort.  Instead, they just set these imaginary boundaries of 'we can only use waggle, these set resources, target these set markets and aim to sell these many units'.  And it was even a shock to the third parties when Wii games started selling well, because they expected their own games to bomb.  That's just plain sad.

if there was a better variety of good third party games for the Wii i would probably buy one because i got bored with zelda, mario and the lack of mature games a long time ago.
it's a shame that every stab at the wii market by 3rd parties came up pretty fruitless cause if they are rewarded when they make a quality title they would surely make another one.

all in all the whole drama revolving around this issue is bad for the industry and gamers both.

You some shill for a Wii hating developer trying to justify what they are doing? It won't work.

"cause if they are rewarded when they make a quality title"

They are. The Wii haters just lie that the non-rewarded titles are quality and that the actual quality titles are not rewarded (like the lie of No More Heroes selling badly).

You're deliberately being unfair and you know it. If you insist on continuing in this manner, so be it, but you've just forfeited the right to complain when the games you favor are painted with a similarly overbroad brush.

 This post gets the Official Noname Seal of Approval.*

*Twenty years from now, when famousringo starts trying to also appeal to the Casual Forum Member Market, butthurt and ignorant fools will mistake the purpose of said seal.

 Little King's Story.

Monster Hunter 3.

Klonoa.

A Boy and His Blob.

Dokapon Kingdom.

 Whatever happened to Episode 8?

 Yes.

"Smart."

 Those pitiful fools. If only they had your vision, standards, and honesty!

 Madworld, House of the Dead, and The Conduit.

Oh wait, the games' publisher disagrees on 2/3 of those.

The Conduit, Dead Space: Extraction, and Darkside Chronicles.

 Not new.

It goes back, oh, three years or so.

 At the risk of sounding insulting, I wonder if you yourself realize how close to the mark you just struck...

 Underlined: One. Maybe. I'm not entirely sure about Monster Hunter 3's budget. So, maybe.

Bolded: That's a load of codswallop and we both know it.

 I strongly disagree with this continuation. Mine would go something like:

Threepee returns to the mainland, embittered by how his Kraft-N'-Cardboard Wonder Sandwhich™ failed to light a fire under the Club Sandwhich people. He vows to never again make a Club Sandwhich in his life.

Instead, he doubles down on his Submarine Sandwhich. He mortgages his properties, takes out large loans, and hires several assistants. He purchases only the finest quality ingredients from around the world. He spends weeks of feverish work planning out the most minute detail of his new Masterpeice.

In the end, his newest Submarine Sandwhich is everything he could have hoped for. He invites food critics to try his new creation (the junket includes performances by star musicians, speeches by famous celebrities, and massive amounts of free alcohol to dazzle the critics: no expense is spared!). They love it! The critics rush to their blogs and post about how Threepee's Grand Submarine Sandwhich™ is the finest thing to happen to sandwhiches since Sourdough. Armed with these accolades, Threepee now knows that he made the right choice in abandoning the Club Sandwhich store, and he eagerly looks forward to recouping his staggering investment at the public unveiling of his work of Genius.

Sure enough, when the doors to the Submarine store open the next morning, Threepee's sandwhich is a hit! Folks line up around the block just to try this newest sandwhich craze. At the end of the month, Threepee's Grand Submarine Sandwhich™ is number one on the prestigious National Best Sandwhich Sales List.©

Unfortunately for Threepee, at the start of the next month, someone else comes out with a different Submarine Sandwhich. The critics who had been raving about his life's work only days before rush to forget him; this month it's all about loving NBT's Submarine Sandwhich™ (which, the critics lament, can only be reviewed in two-inch segments, and they must agree to be flown to Tahiti and put up in 5-star resorts: woe unto he who is they!). The customers who had lined up for Threepee's sandwhiches have vanished: NBT is where it's at this month, although if you want Threepee's Grand Submarine Sandwhich,™ they're willing to sell you their refridgerated leftover copy for pennies on the dollar.

Threepee is devastated. The masses who threw their money at him on Day One are gone, and while they did give him lots of cash, it was only a fraction of the loan he had taken out to fund Threepee's Grand Submarine Sandwhich.™ The assistants he'd hired have to be let go; the properties he'd mortgaged are forfeited to the bank. Now out of a job, and deep in bankruptcy, Threepee has taken to ranting on Sandwhich forums about how his life would have been so much better if Club Sandwhich Empire had subsidized and marketed his Kraft-N'-Cardboard Wonder Sandwhich™ all those years ago, or if they would have just done their job and funded his Grand Submarine Sandwhich™ (letting Threepee keep all the profits, of course!).

He's moved back in with his mother, and now spends his spare time nibbling on Bon-Bons and watching soap operas.

 True, Wii games can't do zombies particularly well...

 Sometime shortly after we suffer a major concussion, and conclude that what developers want is more important than what customers want.

 You could not be more wrong.

Not even if you tried really hard.

Really, really hard.

Seriously.

 If you're only speaking for yourself, that's great.

If you're trying to say anything about the PS3 userbase...

You're going to want to pick another example.

"You're deliberately being unfair and you know it. If you insist on continuing in this manner, so be it, but you've just forfeited the right to complain when the games you favor are painted with a similarly overbroad brush."

I was responding to a comment that was already broad, the old "just buy the HD systems" comment. I was just throwing bullshit to bullshit.

Although the brown thing does turn me off a bit (not always, but with some games).