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I dont think it is as dire as you make it sound. DS, PSP, and PS2 are all going to dry up as relevant, kind of relevant and mildly relevant third party markets over the next one-four years (PS2 has a year left, PSP 2.5, DS 3.5 I'd say for relevant third party revenues). Some of that content will go to DS2/PSP2 but alot of it is going to end up on Wii in the transition period. Could easily see stuff like Scribblenuats and some kind of Layton spinoff on Wii.

Capcom and a few other third parties were still putting relevant releases on the N64 in 1999/2000, GC in 2005, SNES in 1996, etc.

The Wii has never attracted the blockbuster core games from third parties, that area above 2m is off limits for most titles. But so long as alot of games can sell 200,000 to 2,000,000 on Wii there is going to be support. That market has at least another two years left.



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Khuutra said:
Johann said:
trestres said:
Johann said:

So what you're saying is that although the Wii sells the most sofware (1st and 3rd party) and hardware out of the big 3, you still want more support to go to it?

More support? Don't you mean at least some support?

Last time I checked (and I really mean that, I haven't checked in a while) the Wii still sells the most 3rd party software out of the big 3.

So how can it not get be getting support? Are 3rd parties publishing Nintendo games?

I think the thing here is that trestres - like many other Wii buyers (myself excluded, and I want to point that out particularly) - wants third parties to publish the same sorts of games on the Wii that they do on the HD consoles.

It's not a bad wish, it's jsut untenable and it would be a terrible decision for these companies.

For me, it's not that I want Modern Warfare 2 on the Wii, it's that third-parties don't put THE EFFORT on the Wii that they would in a game like MW2, AC2, FFXIII, etc. Outside of a few efforts here and there, the effort is simply not there. And it's ridiculously insulting to be quite honest.



cAPSLOCK said:
I'd like to see them go back to treating 3rd parties like trash. Only allow 2 games per publisher per year, only now no satellite publishing to get around the rule. See how much shovelware they make when they only get 2 shots at that sweet, sweet playerbase per year.

If their game is good and performs well, they get to make 1 addition game the next year.

Maybe Nintendo was right in the NES/SNES era in that regard.

This is the worst idea put forth in the entire topic

Bar none



cAPSLOCK said:
I'd like to see them go back to treating 3rd parties like trash. Only allow 2 games per publisher per year, only now no satellite publishing to get around the rule. See how much shovelware they make when they only get 2 shots at that sweet, sweet playerbase per year.

If their game is good and performs well, they get to make 1 addition game the next year.

Maybe Nintendo was right in the NES/SNES era in that regard.

The fact that they did this in the past is the reason many third parties are not fond of Nintendo, and partly why they're reluctant to support them.



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Khuutra said:
cAPSLOCK said:
I'd like to see them go back to treating 3rd parties like trash. Only allow 2 games per publisher per year, only now no satellite publishing to get around the rule. See how much shovelware they make when they only get 2 shots at that sweet, sweet playerbase per year.

If their game is good and performs well, they get to make 1 addition game the next year.

Maybe Nintendo was right in the NES/SNES era in that regard.

This is the worst idea put forth in the entire topic

Bar none

Why? What would 3rd parties do in retaliation?

Not make any games worth a shit for Nintendo consoles for 3 generations?



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cAPSLOCK said:
Khuutra said:

This is the worst idea put forth in the entire topic

Bar none

Why? What would 3rd parties do in retaliation?

Not make any games worth a shit for Nintendo consoles for 3 generations?

....y-yes?



Sempuukyaku said:
Khuutra said:
Johann said:
trestres said:
Johann said:

So what you're saying is that although the Wii sells the most sofware (1st and 3rd party) and hardware out of the big 3, you still want more support to go to it?

More support? Don't you mean at least some support?

Last time I checked (and I really mean that, I haven't checked in a while) the Wii still sells the most 3rd party software out of the big 3.

So how can it not get be getting support? Are 3rd parties publishing Nintendo games?

I think the thing here is that trestres - like many other Wii buyers (myself excluded, and I want to point that out particularly) - wants third parties to publish the same sorts of games on the Wii that they do on the HD consoles.

It's not a bad wish, it's jsut untenable and it would be a terrible decision for these companies.

For me, it's not that I want Modern Warfare 2 on the Wii, it's that third-parties don't put THE EFFORT on the Wii that they would in a game like MW2, AC2, FFXIII, etc. Outside of a few efforts here and there, the effort is simply not there. And it's ridiculously insulting to be quite honest.

"The Effort" means "The Money", if you weren't aware.

If you put more money into Wii development... there goes the grand Wii advantage, doesn't it?  Would a $20M Wii game sell as much as a $20M HD game?  That's the question.  Depends on the product, and the number of Wii owners willing to purchase it, doesn't it?



 

Things may be waiting in the wings, though it does seem like the top-tier support has pretty much fled as soon as it started to arrive.



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Demotruk said:
darthdevidem01 said:

trestres you made similar thread throughout last year & have made this one now.

You want some support? Wii has 3rd party support

if you want the support, basically the games 3rd parties are giving to HD consoles, its really time you decided to maybe get a PS3 or a 360 as your second console.

Beside 1st party wise Wii is looking brilliant in 2010

Could you drop that old canard please. Obviously we bought Wii's for different reasons that people buy HD consoles. I don't play consoles generally, I have little/no interest in playing games with a gamepad, the games I am interested in I can play better on PC.

Any strong effort on the Wii would be something quite different from a strong effort on the HD consoles, even if they're in the same genre.

My response is towards trestres problem not yours or anyone else's

trestres has been convinced for atleast 6 months now that wii stands no chance of getting 3rd party support

all I am saying is that maybe he should think about buying consoles that have the kind of 3rd party support he prefers, hardly a silly thing to suggest.



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TheSource said:

I dont think it is as dire as you make it sound. DS, PSP, and PS2 are all going to dry up as relevant, kind of relevant and mildly relevant third party markets over the next one-four years (PS2 has a year left, PSP 2.5, DS 3.5 I'd say for relevant third party revenues). Some of that content will go to DS2/PSP2 but alot of it is going to end up on Wii in the transition period. Could easily see stuff like Scribblenuats and some kind of Layton spinoff on Wii.

Capcom and a few other third parties were still putting relevant releases on the N64 in 1999/2000, GC in 2005, SNES in 1996, etc.

The Wii has never attracted the blockbuster core games from third parties, that area above 2m is off limits for most titles. But so long as alot of games can sell 200,000 to 2,000,000 on Wii there is going to be support. That market has at least another two years left.

There have been 28 Wii titles to breach 2 million, 10 of them would easily be classed as core (more if you include music games, but Wii gets that support anyway). It's only "off limits" if you take a "we can't compete with Nintendo" mentality.

 

Now, I'm not saying we need to see Assassin's Creed etc. being developed Wii first or Wii exclusive, but have we even seen last gen efforts from third parties? I'm thinking Soul Calibre 2, Kingdom Hearts, Tony Hawks Pro Skater, Star Wars Battlefront sized efforts. These were strong effort that would be considered cheap compared to big HD games.



A game I'm developing with some friends:

www.xnagg.com/zombieasteroids/publish.htm

It is largely a technical exercise but feedback is appreciated.