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rynx on 14 January 2010

this is the last thing i say before i go.

think about it for a second.

do you think blu-ray would of beat HD DVD if there was a movie equality? blu-ray beat HD DVD because of longer content, richer audio/video, uncompressed files and less to non pirating. so people bought it and movie studios supported it.

console equality is hurting blu-ray games from beating regular DVD games in sales. if there was no console equality who do you think people would buy for their games? dont you think sales of multiplatform games would be higher on the ps3 than 360? if developers would stop compressing and removing content to keep it equal as the 360?

console equality is hurting sales on the ps3 and thats why im saying it needs to be stopped



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yo_john117 on 14 January 2010
Kasz216 said:
rynx said:
Kasz216 said:
rynx said:
Kasz216 said:
rynx said:
Kasz216 said:
I don't.

Maybe if PS3 was in first.

Why should I expect a company to make a superior version of the game on the console with the lowest userbase. They risk upsetting the 360 crowd for making an "inferior port"

They can afford to alienate PS3 owners a LOT more then they can 360 owners.

read my other comments that answer this. ps3 has the lead in others and japan. Ms NA, but NA is no longer the main region to win with are down economy at the moment. this isnt the 90's where you had to win NA in order to survive. so why rob us? why continue to practice 'console equality'?

No...

the Us still is the main region to win at the moment... even with the economic times.

Japan is actually LESS relevent then it was in the 90's.

Notice how companies like SE are desperatly trying to appeal more to the western audience.

 

sorry to inform you it's not. if you do not know this i feel sorry for you. europe is the region to win. if you invest all your time and money to a region thats in a economic crisis and people are skeptical to buy and also those who are losing their jobs you will go banrupt lol. why do you think after the price cut sony started outselling the 360? people want to save money and invest on something that can be use for anything and for cheap

Er... you do know the economic crisis hit europe as well right?

It actually hurt some europeon countries harder then the US.

are you kidding me lol? if i recall the value of the pound and euro just went up recently i dont know how long ago. also if i recall the currecny for china went up as well and china is part of "others"

Actually, most recently the Euro and pound went down against the dollar.

The US moves over double the software the EU does.

Check out the VGchartz numbers.

Tie ratios are far greater in the US then EU.

 

I agree Americas is the region to win all you have to do to see that is look at the weekly charts.



yo_john117 on 14 January 2010
rynx said:
Ajescent said:
By accepting it, doesn't make it right, I'm saying it does exists and there's not a lot we can do about it.

I might be wrong but I only 2 two options.

1: Boycott; doing this only confirms that porting to the ps3 was not worth the effort as the returns or lack of speaks volumes.

2: Complain to the companies directly but call me cynical however I do believe this will just fall on deaf ears as they'll just look at the other people buying for the ps3 and "file it under not an issue."

So unless there's a 3rd option, I don't really see what else ps3 owners can do.

yeah it confirms people will not support being robbed. so developers have two options

relase the blu-ray version as it suppose to be and see the sales increase and FULL profit. just like how blu-ray beat HD DVD without movie equality.

or continue to cater for a console that pirating is big for therefor gain/lose profit

 

well i gtg

Wait are you trying to say that developers don't make money off of the 360, and that they would make more money by spending more money to make a superior version for the PS3?!?



Ajescent on 14 January 2010
rynx said:
Ajescent said:
rynx said:
Ajescent said:
With regards to ps3 versions of game selling better than 360's, I argue that it's the exception not the norm. points of interest, on this site alone, 2 multies are in the top 10 Darksiders and COD:MW2 the 360 version of both games are doing better than the ps3's.

I agree the ps3 version of ff13 will do better, but I argue that no matter how much it sells, do you really think that will be enough for SE?

Goes back to my arguement of less effort+more returns=win.

If this was a 360 exclusive originally, I argue E3 '08 would not have happened in Sony's direction why?

1: too much work to port
2: Not garunteed to be successful if past trends are to be believed.
3: (personal belief) for some reason, SE amongst others are more willing to please MS than Sony atm so the liklihood of ps3 ports being perfected to match the 360 counterpart is unlikely.

all you doing is repeating yourself and it's quit annoying. again read my other comments. more consumers doesnt mean more sales. again ps3 owners are aware about console equality. dont you think that if people knew they're are getting longer content, uncompressed audio/video it will sale more on the ps3?? especially if advertise to the consumers properly? dont you think people from the 36o will buy either a ps3 or the ps3 version of the game? console equality is hurting ps3 sales. because its not on just 1 game but all multiplatform games. batman is an example it sold more on the ps3 i believe. please stop repeating yourself


I repeat myself because you keep arguing about compression and what not. I'll take a different angle then, believe it or not, that idea that folks who buy ps3s only do so for Blu-Ray playing abilities is truer than some would like to believe. It's all well and good having solid numbers on the ps3 front, if X amount isn't even interested in games to begin with, you're kinda on the back foot from the get go.

 Maybe it's just my perspective, but MS has NA region wrapped around it's finger that it's hard to remove. Folks accuse JP of being nationalistic when the US is guilty of the same thing.

E.g

Ps3 offers free online yet people are willing to pay $50 or so for XBLA, you could argue XBLA is better than psnso it's worth the money, isn't that the same thing as uncompressed audio and all that jazz? My point is, no matter how you spin it, America will keep choosing the 360 over the ps3 and devs will still keep giving it the inferior items.

 

ll make it simple. console equality not only limits blu-ray but also hurts sales for the ps3. if people know they can get better audio/video longer content, uncompressed files dont you think those who are against console equality will start purchashing multiplatforms? dont you think those who own a 360 would buy the blu-ray version? its the reason why blu-ray beat Hd dvd. there was no movie equality and therefor people bought blu-ray. common sense dude.

and im fully aware not till the ps3 takes the NA lead will console equality be drop. but when we own both others and japan in sales i dont understand why they would cater to a region thats in a economic crisis and for a console that pirating is big for? THEREFOR THEY ARE ROBBING US PS3 OWNERS and losing on a bigger profit margin.

anyways i gotta go cya everyone


Not really...for example, the 360 got games 1yr early, had achievements and always had the better version of multi-games but yet I still bought the ps3.

My point is, no matter how attractive one item looks over the other, people will still buy the one they think is best. And if the majority side with the 360, companies are gonna cater for the 360s until as you say the playing field evens out, until then we're gonna have to sit tight.

@RVDondapc

I admit I'm not a business major so I try to think things in ways I can understand

Way I see the idea of boycotts is this.

I am a small company with a budget of $1mil I'm making a multi game

I split my budget 50/50 for each console

when the dust settles I get 1mil return from 360 owners but only 500k from ps3 folks primarily because the ps3 port was sub par and that only happened because we found it difficult working on the ps3, as a result the ps3 took much more time and effort than I was willing to put in. All this ends up in some people choosing to boycott the product entirely.

Maybe it's just me but when it's time for a sequel, I'm gonna think long and hard about the boycotters, the amount of time, effort and money I had to put into the ps3 version and the sub par result which not only didn't get me much in return but made all my effort effectively worthless.



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rynx on 14 January 2010
rynx said:

this is the last thing i say before i go.

think about it for a second.

do you think blu-ray would of beat HD DVD if there was a movie equality? blu-ray beat HD DVD because of longer content, richer audio/video, uncompressed files and less to no pirating. so people bought it and movie studios supported it. it was also priced the same.

console equality is hurting blu-ray games from beating regular DVD games in sales. if there was no console equality who do you think people would buy for their games? dont you think sales of multiplatform games would be higher on the ps3 than 360? if developers would stop compressing and removing content to keep it equal as the 360? dont you think people would rather spend 60$ on blu-ray games knowing they're getting a better value instead of 60$ on an inferior DVD version?

console equality is hurting sales on the ps3 and thats why im saying it needs to be stopped

This is all im saying till im back tomorrow.



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Ssenkahdavic on 14 January 2010

I seriously doubt that MS is going to recoup the money they spent to get SE to port over FF13. Remember, MS paid for this port while Sony did not have to.

To take that money they HAD TO make the two games similar, it only makes sense. Is it fair to the PS3 crowd? Sure, no telling IF (and i repeat IF) this game never went multiplat that they would have kept any of this anyway.

The only limitations they MIGHT have had by making the game exactly the same is having to deal with arcade units (making it so the game does not have to install) Other than that, unless we hear anything directly from SE about this, we will never know. People keep talking about dual audio tracks and whatnot. Have they ever done this? (I have played every single one and I dont remember any of them having this option, tho I could easily be wrong). It is highly unlikely they would have done it anyway.



 

  

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Kasz216 on 14 January 2010
rynx said:
Ajescent said:
rynx said:
Ajescent said:
With regards to ps3 versions of game selling better than 360's, I argue that it's the exception not the norm. points of interest, on this site alone, 2 multies are in the top 10 Darksiders and COD:MW2 the 360 version of both games are doing better than the ps3's.

I agree the ps3 version of ff13 will do better, but I argue that no matter how much it sells, do you really think that will be enough for SE?

Goes back to my arguement of less effort+more returns=win.

If this was a 360 exclusive originally, I argue E3 '08 would not have happened in Sony's direction why?

1: too much work to port
2: Not garunteed to be successful if past trends are to be believed.
3: (personal belief) for some reason, SE amongst others are more willing to please MS than Sony atm so the liklihood of ps3 ports being perfected to match the 360 counterpart is unlikely.

all you doing is repeating yourself and it's quit annoying. again read my other comments. more consumers doesnt mean more sales. again ps3 owners are aware about console equality. dont you think that if people knew they're are getting longer content, uncompressed audio/video it will sale more on the ps3?? especially if advertise to the consumers properly? dont you think people from the 36o will buy either a ps3 or the ps3 version of the game? console equality is hurting ps3 sales. because its not on just 1 game but all multiplatform games. batman is an example it sold more on the ps3 i believe. please stop repeating yourself


I repeat myself because you keep arguing about compression and what not. I'll take a different angle then, believe it or not, that idea that folks who buy ps3s only do so for Blu-Ray playing abilities is truer than some would like to believe. It's all well and good having solid numbers on the ps3 front, if X amount isn't even interested in games to begin with, you're kinda on the back foot from the get go.

 Maybe it's just my perspective, but MS has NA region wrapped around it's finger that it's hard to remove. Folks accuse JP of being nationalistic when the US is guilty of the same thing.

E.g

Ps3 offers free online yet people are willing to pay $50 or so for XBLA, you could argue XBLA is better than psnso it's worth the money, isn't that the same thing as uncompressed audio and all that jazz? My point is, no matter how you spin it, America will keep choosing the 360 over the ps3 and devs will still keep giving it the inferior items.

 

ll make it simple. console equality not only limits blu-ray but also hurts sales for the ps3. if people know they can get better audio/video longer content, uncompressed files dont you think those who are against console equality will start purchashing multiplatforms? dont you think those who own a 360 would buy the blu-ray version? its the reason why blu-ray beat Hd dvd. there was no movie equality and therefor people bought blu-ray. common sense dude.

and im fully aware not till the ps3 takes the NA lead will console equality be drop. but when we own both others and japan in sales i dont understand why they would cater to a region thats in a economic crisis and for a console that pirating is big for? THEREFOR THEY ARE ROBBING US PS3 OWNERS and losing on a bigger profit margin.

anyways i gotta go cya everyone

Once again... even during the "economic crisis" the US sells more then double the software Europe does.



yo_john117 on 15 January 2010
rynx said:
rynx said:

this is the last thing i say before i go.

think about it for a second.

do you think blu-ray would of beat HD DVD if there was a movie equality? blu-ray beat HD DVD because of longer content, richer audio/video, uncompressed files and less to no pirating. so people bought it and movie studios supported it. it was also priced the same.

console equality is hurting blu-ray games from beating regular DVD games in sales. if there was no console equality who do you think people would buy for their games? dont you think sales of multiplatform games would be higher on the ps3 than 360? if developers would stop compressing and removing content to keep it equal as the 360? dont you think people would rather spend 60$ on blu-ray games knowing they're getting a better value instead of 60$ on an inferior DVD version?

console equality is hurting sales on the ps3 and thats why im saying it needs to be stopped

This is all im saying till im back tomorrow.

You know I could have sworn that Blu-ray won because sony paid Warner a fat check to support blu-ray, up until that time Blu-Ray and HD DVD were neck in neck.  Whichever one Warner company went with was pretty much bound to win.



RVDondaPC on 15 January 2010
Ajescent said:

@RVDondapc

I admit I'm not a business major so I try to think things in ways I can understand

Way I see the idea of boycotts is this.

I am a small company with a budget of $1mil I'm making a multi game

I split my budget 50/50 for each console

when the dust settles I get 1mil return from 360 owners but only 500k from ps3 folks primarily because the ps3 port was sub par and that only happened because we found it difficult working on the ps3, as a result the ps3 took much more time and effort than I was willing to put in. All this ends up in some people choosing to boycott the product entirely.

Maybe it's just me but when it's time for a sequel, I'm gonna think long and hard about the boycotters, the amount of time, effort and money I had to put into the ps3 version and the sub par result which not only didn't get me much in return but made all my effort effectively worthless.

Fortunately I am. 

What you say has a degree of truth but it is not applicable in this situation, and it wouldn't be applicable in most situations. Only very rarely would a situation arise in which boycotters would be shunned and ignored(assuming they are big enough to have an effect on sales), because like everyone else they are consumers and there is money to be made from them.  A situation where it would be applicable is where the boycott was company specific and the reason for the boycott would be unchangable or to change it would take away other revenue greater than what the change would bring. Say for instance PS3 owners are upset at Sega(could be anyone) for making 360 games and decide to boycott Sega until they stop making 360 games. Well if Sega is making more money on 360 games than they are on PS3 games then they would not make the change and would just simply stop making PS3 games because it is not profitable to make them with the boycott intact and there isn't much they can do about it.  

In this situation the boycott would not be company specific, it's practice specific towards a whole industry. For your argument sake we will assume that the boycott effects the PS3 profitability, where as before hand a PS3 port was profitable but now because of the boycott it is not. Well if there are 10 companies making cheap PS3 ports and they all are making sales of $500,000 on average, but because of this boycott each company decides to stop making the cheap ports. Well that is $5 million dollars annually that gamers are no longer spending on cheap ports and would be dying to spend them on quality ports(seeing as quality was their reason for boycotting). A smart company would see that and realize that if they invest the extra money to make a quality port they would then be the only company grabbing from that pot of $5 million from those consumers. As a result of this, the company would make a lot of money because the demand for quality ports would be there. This would then make other companies follow suit to get their portion of the $5 million. And like with any industry there will be winners and losers and the winners will be those that make the best quality ports(as that is the purchasing criteria from the boycotters). 

Ofcourse none of this would ever happen in real life as the quality of a port is subjective and the information to the consumer is not readily available to even make an educated decision. I am simply using the assumption of perfect information to illustrate the theory behind this. Also you'd have to assume that all companies are aware of this and thus they would not collectively pull out of the market because of the boycott they would simply make better ports. 

 



1337 Gamer on 15 January 2010

wow some of the things you guys come up with are so innacurate. SE never said they cut the stuff out because of the 360 version. Your rant is so full of fail im not even going to bother responding to the rest of it.

EDIT: Oh and just so you know the ENTIRE WORLD is in a recession. Not just the US. I suggest you watch the news more



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