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Halo Reach or Gran Turismo 5 which sells more if launched for the holiday??

Gran Turismo 5 54 43.90%
 
Halo Reach 69 56.10%
 
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sergiodaly on 13 January 2010

i think it will be close... but IMO is GT... its the first GT in this gen and Reach is the fourth Halo game this gen... this alone makes me think that GT will do a little better!

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Fei-Hung on 13 January 2010

I think 2nd hand sales also need to be addressed. IMO, FPS, especially Halo give more reason for buyers to hold onto their game than driving simulators or driving games such as GT. This is due to the online multiplayer and what it offers. One of the reasons for people loving Halo is the online mp. Whist GT is better known for its sp.

I remember in the ps2 days, I would find tons of GT3 and GT4 games stacking up in the pre-owned section.



psrock on 13 January 2010

America Will decide.

I know for sure at least 7 million people will buy Halo in NA, just like 6 million might buy GT5 IN OTHERS, now I know Halo will sell well in other 2.5 million plus, I am not sure GT5 can do the same. GT5 does have Japan too.

I expect it to be very close, but Reach will come out huge, while GT5 will leg it out.


Halo REACH

7.2 million NA
2.7 million Others
250k Japan

10.15 million


GT5

1.7 Million NA
6.7 MILLION oTHERS
900K Japan

9.3 million




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MontanaHatchet on 13 January 2010
iWarMachine said:
MontanaHatchet said:
iWarMachine said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Gran Turismo 5 will be a big seller, there's no question about that. But it will have to deal with a much lower userbase (PS3 not selling like the PS1 and PS2), as well as a fragmented fanbase (there are a decent amount of GT fans who likely bought 360s and Forza). GT5 could get to 10 million if it gets lucky (or there's a good amount of bundling).

Halo: Reach, on the other hand, is practically guaranteed for 10 million. I see it winning in the end by a good amount. This will be a full-fledged Halo game, and it will be hyped up to heaven. Personally, I can't wait to play it.

i'm not agree.

 

the userbase when GT3 or GT came out were less than 25M consoles, and still, they did great, with more than 10M+ units sold.

the fanbase of GT series it's intact, you can quote me on that, in fact, it's bigger than before since now the game is more expanded to the mainstream thanks to the PS2 and its piracy.

i can see GT5 getting the 10M mark in a year or two.

Halo:Reach imo, will not get into the 8M let alone 10M, why? because 70% of the Halo 3 buyers are casual gamers and if they don't see a 4 in the cover of Halo:Reach, they'll not buy it, just like Halo:ODST. besides this, it's normal to see a decline on the sales of the series since it's the 3rd game in the same system (4th if you count Halo Wars). The only chance to get more than 6M sales it's the Marketing, and even if you think that it'll be massively hyped...Natal will take most of the money for ads.

i can bet i all of my statements.

 

it seems to be that most of the users in VGChartz are doubting about the size of Gran Turismo series.

Gran Turismo 3 received extensive bundling, and even then, its legs grew as the Playstation 2's userbase grew. Gran Turismo 5 doesn't have as strong of an advantage there. And your point about the PS2 and piracy actually hurts your argument, since most PS2 owners don't own a PS3, and the PS3 can't be pirated. I'm not saying that Gran Turismo 5 won't reach 10 million (I strongly believe it could), but will it really do it in a year or two? Even Halo 3 took about 2 years to sell 10 million, and that was with one of the biggest advertising campaigns ever. As for the next part, well...that's all a bunch of bullshit and you know it. 70% of Halo 3 buyers are casual gamers who don't know anything about the games they buy? That's trolling, and it's criminal. Halo: ODST is pretty much an expansion to Halo 3 (similar to Frozen Throne being an expansion for Warcraft 3), and yet it still sold tremendously. Gran Turismo 4 struggled to sell over 10 million copies when it launched, and that was to a userbase of over 70 million (at the time). And why do you think Natal will take most of the money for ads? Do you work in Microsoft's advertising department?

Sounds to me like your arguments are nothing more than random speculation. I'm not agree with you.

my piracy argument is not about GT3 losing sales or the Ps3 not being pirated yet, the piracy on ps2 made the franchise grow, because a lot more people had a chance to play the game even if they didn't like the racing sims.

with bundling and advertising campaign it could do easily 100k per week just like halo 3.

the halo 3 advertising campaing was one of the biggest...and we're saying that we will see another campaing like that for another spin-off in the series? ( c'mon if the game would be a sequel, then it would be called Halo 4...and even if the game it's a real sequel, only us the gamers knows about it and most of the halo userbase it's not a gamer community, this never happened in ANY 10M seller game...that's my point of view. ) and, no the 70% stuff is not bullshit...Halo:Combat Evolved sold 6M LTD with a great advertise campaign, the Halo 2 campaing was even bigger, and sold 8M LTD...now Halo 3 had the biggest advertising campaign ever and it sold 10M...there's 4-6M people that bought the game just for the advertising campaign, again, maybe i'm being ignorant, but this is my point of view.

Halo:Odst is not the best example but it's the last sequel to the series, the game is selling pretty well but not the Halo 3 amount, i can see a decline in sales because it's a spin-off, people know this because there's not a 4 in the cover...

Gran Turismo struggled to sell over 10M copies because when it launched, the next-gen was already here, and the piracy in the ps2 was HUGE.

why do i think natal will take most of the money? because i don't think microsoft will do 2 advertise campaigns of the same size as halo 3, That's a LOT of money for a game division...

Your arguments are still awful. The pirates who played Gran Turismo on the PS2 are not going to be BUYING Gran Turismo 5 on the PS3, especially when the PS3 can't be pirated. It's not like several million people pirated the last GT game, and are now going to buy GT5 and a PS3 to go along with it. But if that's what you truly believe, that's sad. And I'm not saying that GT5 won't sell 10 million or more, but I seriously doubt it will sell 100k a week (especially when Halo 3 didn't). As for advertising, Halo: Reach will be fine. It's not a spinoff, nay, it's a prequel to Halo 1. You'd know this if you actually knew what you were talking about (which you don't). Wii Sports Resort sold well over 10 million in a short amount of time, and it did that without a sequel type name (something like Wii Sports 2). If you market your game well, and get the knowledge out to consumers, then they will know about your game. The main difference between me and you is that I don't believe the gaming community is retarded, and I don't believe the Halo userbase is made up of a bunch of clueless casual teenagers that don't know the games they're buying. Halo 2 saw an increase over the first because it had the addition of online, and indeed, it was the biggest online game for the original Xbox ever. Halo 3 topped all of them by really bringing features. It had one of the best online systems for a home console game ever (I'd still take Halo 3's reliable online over Modern Warfare 2 or Gears of War 2 any day), a campaign that finally finished the storyline, new weapons, new maps, new gameplay in general, HD graphics, and one of the biggest marketing blitzes ever seen. Do you really think that 4-6 million bought the game just because of some pretty commercials? Now I KNOW you're trolling. Gran Turismo 4 launched back in 2004, and if memory serves, the only "next gen" console back then was the DS (which was hardly competing for Gran Turismo's market with the likes of The Sims and Super Mario 64). And even if that were the case, it hardly stopped Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas from becoming the PS2's best selling game, and increasing over its previous iterations. With your last point, you're making more baseless assumptions. Why will Microsoft put their money into marketing for Natal and not Halo: Reach? Why will Microsoft not spend huge money on marketing for both games when both are very important potential heavy hitters for the system?

I'm tired of arguing with you.



 

 

Chairman-Mao on 13 January 2010

I would say Gran Turismo 5 and I have a reason besides GT being my favourite series.

To the average gamer like me Halo Reach doesn't sound like a full Halo game. Now while I've played all the Halo games to some extent I'm not a hardcore Halo fan so I don't know the whole story, but just by looking at the titles it doesn't sound like a full fledged next installment.

I mean you've got Halo: CE (usually just called Halo 1), Halo 2, Halo 3...then when it gets confusing for a non-hardcore Halo fan is you have Halo Wars and Halo 3 ODST and when you throw in Halo Reach it sounds like just another spinoff and not a full sequel like I've heard it is.

On the other hand the next Gran Turismo is a perfectly title Gran Turismo 5. You know right away its a sequel (or next installment) right after Gran Turismo 4 and not a spinoff or anything.

That's just my 2 cents.



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De85 on 13 January 2010
iWarMachine said:
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my piracy argument is not about GT3 losing sales or the Ps3 not being pirated yet, the piracy on ps2 made the franchise grow, because a lot more people had a chance to play the game even if they didn't like the racing sims.

with bundling and advertising campaign it could do easily 100k per week just like halo 3.

the halo 3 advertising campaing was one of the biggest...and we're saying that we will see another campaing like that for another spin-off in the series? ( c'mon if the game would be a sequel, then it would be called Halo 4...and even if the game it's a real sequel, only us the gamers knows about it and most of the halo userbase it's not a gamer community, this never happened in ANY 10M seller game...that's my point of view. ) and, no the 70% stuff is not bullshit...Halo:Combat Evolved sold 6M LTD with a great advertise campaign, the Halo 2 campaing was even bigger, and sold 8M LTD...now Halo 3 had the biggest advertising campaign ever and it sold 10M...there's 4-6M people that bought the game just for the advertising campaign, again, maybe i'm being ignorant, but this is my point of view.

Halo:Odst is not the best example but it's the last sequel to the series, the game is selling pretty well but not the Halo 3 amount, i can see a decline in sales because it's a spin-off, people know this because there's not a 4 in the cover...

Gran Turismo struggled to sell over 10M copies because when it launched, the next-gen was already here, and the piracy in the ps2 was HUGE.

why do i think natal will take most of the money? because i don't think microsoft will do 2 advertise campaigns of the same size as halo 3, That's a LOT of money for a game division...

You don't actually know anything about Halo, do you?

1st bolded: Reach is not a spinoff and it is not a sequel.  It is a prequel.  This has been known since the very first reveal trailer.  MS will make sure everyone knows this through ads. 

2nd bolded: Right, because none of the increase in sales could possibly be because people enjoyed the previous games, everyone knows Halo is teh suck. /sarcasm  If the only reason it sold so well is because of the advertising, tell me why, even more than 2 years after launch, it is still selling?  I don't know about where you are, but I haven't seen a Halo 3 ad on my tv in quite some time.

3rd bolded: Why the hell wouldn't they?  If there's one thing MS has done very well this gen it's advertise.  Also, I don't know if you've heard, but MS has LOTS of money.  They can afford more than one media campaign at a time.



iWarMachine on 13 January 2010
MontanaHatchet said:
iWarMachine said:
MontanaHatchet said:
iWarMachine said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Gran Turismo 5 will be a big seller, there's no question about that. But it will have to deal with a much lower userbase (PS3 not selling like the PS1 and PS2), as well as a fragmented fanbase (there are a decent amount of GT fans who likely bought 360s and Forza). GT5 could get to 10 million if it gets lucky (or there's a good amount of bundling).

Halo: Reach, on the other hand, is practically guaranteed for 10 million. I see it winning in the end by a good amount. This will be a full-fledged Halo game, and it will be hyped up to heaven. Personally, I can't wait to play it.

i'm not agree.

 

the userbase when GT3 or GT came out were less than 25M consoles, and still, they did great, with more than 10M+ units sold.

the fanbase of GT series it's intact, you can quote me on that, in fact, it's bigger than before since now the game is more expanded to the mainstream thanks to the PS2 and its piracy.

i can see GT5 getting the 10M mark in a year or two.

Halo:Reach imo, will not get into the 8M let alone 10M, why? because 70% of the Halo 3 buyers are casual gamers and if they don't see a 4 in the cover of Halo:Reach, they'll not buy it, just like Halo:ODST. besides this, it's normal to see a decline on the sales of the series since it's the 3rd game in the same system (4th if you count Halo Wars). The only chance to get more than 6M sales it's the Marketing, and even if you think that it'll be massively hyped...Natal will take most of the money for ads.

i can bet i all of my statements.

 

it seems to be that most of the users in VGChartz are doubting about the size of Gran Turismo series.

Gran Turismo 3 received extensive bundling, and even then, its legs grew as the Playstation 2's userbase grew. Gran Turismo 5 doesn't have as strong of an advantage there. And your point about the PS2 and piracy actually hurts your argument, since most PS2 owners don't own a PS3, and the PS3 can't be pirated. I'm not saying that Gran Turismo 5 won't reach 10 million (I strongly believe it could), but will it really do it in a year or two? Even Halo 3 took about 2 years to sell 10 million, and that was with one of the biggest advertising campaigns ever. As for the next part, well...that's all a bunch of bullshit and you know it. 70% of Halo 3 buyers are casual gamers who don't know anything about the games they buy? That's trolling, and it's criminal. Halo: ODST is pretty much an expansion to Halo 3 (similar to Frozen Throne being an expansion for Warcraft 3), and yet it still sold tremendously. Gran Turismo 4 struggled to sell over 10 million copies when it launched, and that was to a userbase of over 70 million (at the time). And why do you think Natal will take most of the money for ads? Do you work in Microsoft's advertising department?

Sounds to me like your arguments are nothing more than random speculation. I'm not agree with you.

my piracy argument is not about GT3 losing sales or the Ps3 not being pirated yet, the piracy on ps2 made the franchise grow, because a lot more people had a chance to play the game even if they didn't like the racing sims.

with bundling and advertising campaign it could do easily 100k per week just like halo 3.

the halo 3 advertising campaing was one of the biggest...and we're saying that we will see another campaing like that for another spin-off in the series? ( c'mon if the game would be a sequel, then it would be called Halo 4...and even if the game it's a real sequel, only us the gamers knows about it and most of the halo userbase it's not a gamer community, this never happened in ANY 10M seller game...that's my point of view. ) and, no the 70% stuff is not bullshit...Halo:Combat Evolved sold 6M LTD with a great advertise campaign, the Halo 2 campaing was even bigger, and sold 8M LTD...now Halo 3 had the biggest advertising campaign ever and it sold 10M...there's 4-6M people that bought the game just for the advertising campaign, again, maybe i'm being ignorant, but this is my point of view.

Halo:Odst is not the best example but it's the last sequel to the series, the game is selling pretty well but not the Halo 3 amount, i can see a decline in sales because it's a spin-off, people know this because there's not a 4 in the cover...

Gran Turismo struggled to sell over 10M copies because when it launched, the next-gen was already here, and the piracy in the ps2 was HUGE.

why do i think natal will take most of the money? because i don't think microsoft will do 2 advertise campaigns of the same size as halo 3, That's a LOT of money for a game division...

Your arguments are still awful. The pirates who played Gran Turismo on the PS2 are not going to be BUYING Gran Turismo 5 on the PS3, especially when the PS3 can't be pirated. It's not like several million people pirated the last GT game, and are now going to buy GT5 and a PS3 to go along with it. But if that's what you truly believe, that's sad. And I'm not saying that GT5 won't sell 10 million or more, but I seriously doubt it will sell 100k a week (especially when Halo 3 didn't). As for advertising, Halo: Reach will be fine. It's not a spinoff, nay, it's a prequel to Halo 1. You'd know this if you actually knew what you were talking about (which you don't). Wii Sports Resort sold well over 10 million in a short amount of time, and it did that without a sequel type name (something like Wii Sports 2). If you market your game well, and get the knowledge out to consumers, then they will know about your game. The main difference between me and you is that I don't believe the gaming community is retarded, and I don't believe the Halo userbase is made up of a bunch of clueless casual teenagers that don't know the games they're buying. Halo 2 saw an increase over the first because it had the addition of online, and indeed, it was the biggest online game for the original Xbox ever. Halo 3 topped all of them by really bringing features. It had one of the best online systems for a home console game ever (I'd still take Halo 3's reliable online over Modern Warfare 2 or Gears of War 2 any day), a campaign that finally finished the storyline, new weapons, new maps, new gameplay in general, HD graphics, and one of the biggest marketing blitzes ever seen. Do you really think that 4-6 million bought the game just because of some pretty commercials? Now I KNOW you're trolling. Gran Turismo 4 launched back in 2004, and if memory serves, the only "next gen" console back then was the DS (which was hardly competing for Gran Turismo's market with the likes of The Sims and Super Mario 64). And even if that were the case, it hardly stopped Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas from becoming the PS2's best selling game, and increasing over its previous iterations. With your last point, you're making more baseless assumptions. Why will Microsoft put their money into marketing for Natal and not Halo: Reach? Why will Microsoft not spend huge money on marketing for both games when both are very important potential heavy hitters for the system?

I'm tired of arguing with you.

you're not arguing with me, i'm trying to have a discussion with you about my thoughts and your thoughts, yet you're like bashing me all the time saying that i'm trolling when i'm clearly making a prediction just like any other person in this forum.

the pirates who played gran turismo 4 on the ps2 MAYBE bought a ps3, that's MY argument, those people who played GT4 on the ps2 MAYBE bought a ps3 and they'll buy GT5...WHO KNOWS! maybe i'm wrong or maybe you're wrong!

GT series always had great legs 100k isn't nonsense TO ME...

I KNOW that halo:reach is not an spin-off, i've played Halo 3 and i know what's the story about...you can see it in my GAMERTAG! (iWarMachine10)

The Wii xxxxxxx games are not Halo, they're way bigger, even a "SPIN-OFF" like wii sports resort sold 10M....

i do. just like in GT series, there's a lot of mainstream gamers that don't know a shit about games, yet they've played GT games, because the game is POPULAR, i know a lot of people who plays CS every day like "gamers", yet, they're not gamers, they just like that game and if you tell them about Half Life 2 they say "shitty game"....

Wii sports it's a pretty bad game for us the gamer community, still it's the best selling game this gen... if the marketing for the game is good, then people WILL buy it, no matter how bad is it.....i'm not saying that halo series are bad, they're AWESOME, but there's a reason why games like uncharted 2, or metal gear solid don't sell the same amount of games as halo 3, and that's marketing hype.

my bad about the next-gen consoles stuff, i thought GT4 came out in 2005 ...now the GTA arguement it's true, i can't deny it, the difference is that GTA: San Andreas was a completely different game than Vice City, while GT4 was an expansion to GT3... and we haven't seen much of halo:reach yet, but what's new besides the new engine?

because i think the game division doesn't have THAT MUCH money! it's an insane amount of money! if the MW2 campaign costs were 300 Million dollars, then the Halo 3 campaign must be like 2 times that amount!



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iWarMachine on 13 January 2010
De85 said:
iWarMachine said:
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my piracy argument is not about GT3 losing sales or the Ps3 not being pirated yet, the piracy on ps2 made the franchise grow, because a lot more people had a chance to play the game even if they didn't like the racing sims.

with bundling and advertising campaign it could do easily 100k per week just like halo 3.

the halo 3 advertising campaing was one of the biggest...and we're saying that we will see another campaing like that for another spin-off in the series? ( c'mon if the game would be a sequel, then it would be called Halo 4...and even if the game it's a real sequel, only us the gamers knows about it and most of the halo userbase it's not a gamer community, this never happened in ANY 10M seller game...that's my point of view. ) and, no the 70% stuff is not bullshit...Halo:Combat Evolved sold 6M LTD with a great advertise campaign, the Halo 2 campaing was even bigger, and sold 8M LTD...now Halo 3 had the biggest advertising campaign ever and it sold 10M...there's 4-6M people that bought the game just for the advertising campaign, again, maybe i'm being ignorant, but this is my point of view.

Halo:Odst is not the best example but it's the last sequel to the series, the game is selling pretty well but not the Halo 3 amount, i can see a decline in sales because it's a spin-off, people know this because there's not a 4 in the cover...

Gran Turismo struggled to sell over 10M copies because when it launched, the next-gen was already here, and the piracy in the ps2 was HUGE.

why do i think natal will take most of the money? because i don't think microsoft will do 2 advertise campaigns of the same size as halo 3, That's a LOT of money for a game division...

You don't actually know anything about Halo, do you?

1st bolded: Reach is not a spinoff and it is not a sequel.  It is a prequel.  This has been known since the very first reveal trailer.  MS will make sure everyone knows this through ads. 

2nd bolded: Right, because none of the increase in sales could possibly be because people enjoyed the previous games, everyone knows Halo is teh suck. /sarcasm  If the only reason it sold so well is because of the advertising, tell me why, even more than 2 years after launch, it is still selling?  I don't know about where you are, but I haven't seen a Halo 3 ad on my tv in quite some time.

3rd bolded: Why the hell wouldn't they?  If there's one thing MS has done very well this gen it's advertise.  Also, I don't know if you've heard, but MS has LOTS of money.  They can afford more than one media campaign at a time.

1st bolded:



there you go.

 

2nd bolded: people enjoyed the previous games that's why halo 2 sold 6M+...because the Halo 1 userbase bought the 2nd one...halo 3 it's selling 2 years after launch because it's being bundle + best selling game on console + best franchise in 360 ( if you buy a 360, then you should buy halo 3...)

3rd bolded: do you know how much money is that? if MW2 had a 300M campaign...then Halo 3 numbers + natal could be easily a Billion!



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hudsoniscool on 14 January 2010

halo 3 is not being bundled. its selling in the top 20 for 360 every week because its a great game.

watch the marketing campain will be bigger the halo 3's. microsoft will try to get the 11.5 million people who bot halo 3(11.5 being amount of sold halo 3 copies when reach comes out) plus millions more. so when your trying to get more people to buy your product you increase the marketing.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

Garnett on 14 January 2010

Alot of hype is being lost thanks to GT5 unknown release date.



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