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Halo Reach or Gran Turismo 5 which sells more if launched for the holiday??

Gran Turismo 5 54 43.90%
 
Halo Reach 69 56.10%
 
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Mendicate Bias on 13 January 2010
iWarMachine said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Gran Turismo 5 will be a big seller, there's no question about that. But it will have to deal with a much lower userbase (PS3 not selling like the PS1 and PS2), as well as a fragmented fanbase (there are a decent amount of GT fans who likely bought 360s and Forza). GT5 could get to 10 million if it gets lucky (or there's a good amount of bundling).

Halo: Reach, on the other hand, is practically guaranteed for 10 million. I see it winning in the end by a good amount. This will be a full-fledged Halo game, and it will be hyped up to heaven. Personally, I can't wait to play it.

i'm not agree.

 

the userbase when GT3 or GT came out were less than 25M consoles, and still, they did great, with more than 10M+ units sold.

the fanbase of GT series it's intact, you can quote me on that, in fact, it's bigger than before since now the game is more expanded to the mainstream thanks to the PS2 and its piracy.

i can see GT5 getting the 10M mark in a year or two.

Halo:Reach imo, will not get into the 8M let alone 10M, why? because 70% of the Halo 3 buyers are casual gamers and if they don't see a 4 in the cover of Halo:Reach, they'll not buy it, just like Halo:ODST. besides this, it's normal to see a decline on the sales of the series since it's the 3rd game in the same system (4th if you count Halo Wars). The only chance to get more than 6M sales it's the Marketing, and even if you think that it'll be massively hyped...Natal will take most of the money for ads.

i can bet i all of my statements.

 

it seems to be that most of the users in VGChartz are doubting about the size of Gran Turismo series.

Ignoring the fact that you just pulled numbers out of you ass like 70% of Halo players are casuals, whatever that means, your bolded statement is so laughable its a joke. There is no way in hell GT5 will sell 10 million in a year, only a completely deluded fanboy would think that. If you want I would be happy to bet you on it too although it won't be any fun since I'm guaranteed to win.



                                           

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hudsoniscool on 13 January 2010
iWarMachine said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Gran Turismo 5 will be a big seller, there's no question about that. But it will have to deal with a much lower userbase (PS3 not selling like the PS1 and PS2), as well as a fragmented fanbase (there are a decent amount of GT fans who likely bought 360s and Forza). GT5 could get to 10 million if it gets lucky (or there's a good amount of bundling).

Halo: Reach, on the other hand, is practically guaranteed for 10 million. I see it winning in the end by a good amount. This will be a full-fledged Halo game, and it will be hyped up to heaven. Personally, I can't wait to play it.

i'm not agree.

 

the userbase when GT3 or GT came out were less than 25M consoles, and still, they did great, with more than 10M+ units sold.

the fanbase of GT series it's intact, you can quote me on that, in fact, it's bigger than before since now the game is more expanded to the mainstream thanks to the PS2 and its piracy.

i can see GT5 getting the 10M mark in a year or two.

Halo:Reach imo, will not get into the 8M let alone 10M, why? because 70% of the Halo 3 buyers are casual gamers and if they don't see a 4 in the cover of Halo:Reach, they'll not buy it, just like Halo:ODST. besides this, it's normal to see a decline on the sales of the series since it's the 3rd game in the same system (4th if you count Halo Wars). The only chance to get more than 6M sales it's the Marketing, and even if you think that it'll be massively hyped...Natal will take most of the money for ads.

i can bet i all of my statements.

 

it seems to be that most of the users in VGChartz are doubting about the size of Gran Turismo series.

your kiding right. odlc with a metactitic of 83 and a 4 hour campain with no versus, and average graphics is going to sell 6m.now that i look at it it should have sold 2m copies or 15 dollar dlc. reach will most likly have a metacritic 92+(halo1 had 96 or 97, halo2 had 95, halo3 had 94) 5 times the marketing, twice the campain time with compeitive multiplayer and way better graphics. not to mention reach will look may more epic with huge batles unlike odst. theres a 99.9% chance it will sell more then 6 million copies.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

CommonMan on 13 January 2010

I'm going with Halo Reach, just because we haven't seen a real GT yet this gen, and we know what full Halo release can do.



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hudsoniscool on 13 January 2010

GT4 sold 8m copies in 2 years with a way bigger install base. GT5 will likely sell about 5 or 6 million copies after 2 years.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.

iWarMachine on 13 January 2010

i hear a lot of talking but no bet. PM me if you want to bet, my bets are solid.

better yet, i'm predicting something else for those who don't believe in the size of GT.

First Week:

600k+ in Japan
1M in North America
1.5M+ in Others

Total = 3M+

Second Week:

200k+ in Japan
300k+ in North America
500k+ in Europe

After that 100k per week worldwide easily, this game will have great legs and bundles.

in a year if this game sells 100k+ per week ( let's say 500k per month ) the game will sell 6M+ in a year, plus the Opening Week and the 2nd week = 10M+

who wants to bet?



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Fei-Hung on 13 January 2010

I hate Halo since I believe it is overrated, but I firmly believe Halo Reach will outsell GT5 by a large number.

GT has lost a lot of customers to Forza, whilst Halo still has its die hard fanbase that no one so far has been unable to take away from.

Secondly, EU+Americas is bigger than Japan and Halo will probably shift big numbers in EU+Americas since they enjoy FPS.

GT on the other hand will probably do big numbers in EU and Japan.

However, if Sony are clever, they will use Top Gear to promote the game (since the Top Gear track is present) and if this happens, you may get a decent portion of the top gear fan base (over 100,000,000 world wide) buy the game.



MontanaHatchet on 13 January 2010
iWarMachine said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Gran Turismo 5 will be a big seller, there's no question about that. But it will have to deal with a much lower userbase (PS3 not selling like the PS1 and PS2), as well as a fragmented fanbase (there are a decent amount of GT fans who likely bought 360s and Forza). GT5 could get to 10 million if it gets lucky (or there's a good amount of bundling).

Halo: Reach, on the other hand, is practically guaranteed for 10 million. I see it winning in the end by a good amount. This will be a full-fledged Halo game, and it will be hyped up to heaven. Personally, I can't wait to play it.

i'm not agree.

 

the userbase when GT3 or GT came out were less than 25M consoles, and still, they did great, with more than 10M+ units sold.

the fanbase of GT series it's intact, you can quote me on that, in fact, it's bigger than before since now the game is more expanded to the mainstream thanks to the PS2 and its piracy.

i can see GT5 getting the 10M mark in a year or two.

Halo:Reach imo, will not get into the 8M let alone 10M, why? because 70% of the Halo 3 buyers are casual gamers and if they don't see a 4 in the cover of Halo:Reach, they'll not buy it, just like Halo:ODST. besides this, it's normal to see a decline on the sales of the series since it's the 3rd game in the same system (4th if you count Halo Wars). The only chance to get more than 6M sales it's the Marketing, and even if you think that it'll be massively hyped...Natal will take most of the money for ads.

i can bet i all of my statements.

 

it seems to be that most of the users in VGChartz are doubting about the size of Gran Turismo series.

Gran Turismo 3 received extensive bundling, and even then, its legs grew as the Playstation 2's userbase grew. Gran Turismo 5 doesn't have as strong of an advantage there. And your point about the PS2 and piracy actually hurts your argument, since most PS2 owners don't own a PS3, and the PS3 can't be pirated. I'm not saying that Gran Turismo 5 won't reach 10 million (I strongly believe it could), but will it really do it in a year or two? Even Halo 3 took about 2 years to sell 10 million, and that was with one of the biggest advertising campaigns ever. As for the next part, well...that's all a bunch of bullshit and you know it. 70% of Halo 3 buyers are casual gamers who don't know anything about the games they buy? That's trolling, and it's criminal. Halo: ODST is pretty much an expansion to Halo 3 (similar to Frozen Throne being an expansion for Warcraft 3), and yet it still sold tremendously. Gran Turismo 4 struggled to sell over 10 million copies when it launched, and that was to a userbase of over 70 million (at the time). And why do you think Natal will take most of the money for ads? Do you work in Microsoft's advertising department?

Sounds to me like your arguments are nothing more than random speculation. I'm not agree with you.



 

 

iWarMachine on 13 January 2010
Fei-Hung said:
I hate Halo since I believe it is overrated, but I firmly believe Halo Reach will outsell GT5 by a large number.

GT has lost a lot of customers to Forza, whilst Halo still has its die hard fanbase that no one so far has been unable to take away from.

Secondly, EU+Americas is bigger than Japan and Halo will probably shift big numbers in EU+Americas since they enjoy FPS.

GT on the other hand will probably do big numbers in EU and Japan.

However, if Sony are clever, they will use Top Gear to promote the game (since the Top Gear track is present) and if this happens, you may get a decent portion of the top gear fan base (over 100,000,000 world wide) buy the game.

I'll keep adding numbers!

GT3 (First installment in the system) sold 7M units in america, 6M units in Europe and 2M in Japan.

GT4 (Second installment in the system) in a year sold 6M units even with the release of the next-gen consoles.

GT5p sold 3.5M in a year, and it's a demo...with an opening week bigger than the Forza 3 one.

GT4p sold 1.8 compared to the 3.5M of GT5p...

We can say that those 3.5M sold for GT5p are people waiting for GT5 to come, so those are already 3M+ sales for GT5

 

GT4p sold 1.8 million and GT4 sold almost 10M in a userbase 2 times bigger than PS3 one and with a HUGE piracy problem.

GT5p sold 3.5 million in ps3 without piracy and a userbase 2 times lower than the PS2 one when GT4p released...

See where i'm going? 3.5 / 2 = 1.8M...



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iWarMachine on 13 January 2010
MontanaHatchet said:
iWarMachine said:
MontanaHatchet said:
Gran Turismo 5 will be a big seller, there's no question about that. But it will have to deal with a much lower userbase (PS3 not selling like the PS1 and PS2), as well as a fragmented fanbase (there are a decent amount of GT fans who likely bought 360s and Forza). GT5 could get to 10 million if it gets lucky (or there's a good amount of bundling).

Halo: Reach, on the other hand, is practically guaranteed for 10 million. I see it winning in the end by a good amount. This will be a full-fledged Halo game, and it will be hyped up to heaven. Personally, I can't wait to play it.

i'm not agree.

 

the userbase when GT3 or GT came out were less than 25M consoles, and still, they did great, with more than 10M+ units sold.

the fanbase of GT series it's intact, you can quote me on that, in fact, it's bigger than before since now the game is more expanded to the mainstream thanks to the PS2 and its piracy.

i can see GT5 getting the 10M mark in a year or two.

Halo:Reach imo, will not get into the 8M let alone 10M, why? because 70% of the Halo 3 buyers are casual gamers and if they don't see a 4 in the cover of Halo:Reach, they'll not buy it, just like Halo:ODST. besides this, it's normal to see a decline on the sales of the series since it's the 3rd game in the same system (4th if you count Halo Wars). The only chance to get more than 6M sales it's the Marketing, and even if you think that it'll be massively hyped...Natal will take most of the money for ads.

i can bet i all of my statements.

 

it seems to be that most of the users in VGChartz are doubting about the size of Gran Turismo series.

Gran Turismo 3 received extensive bundling, and even then, its legs grew as the Playstation 2's userbase grew. Gran Turismo 5 doesn't have as strong of an advantage there. And your point about the PS2 and piracy actually hurts your argument, since most PS2 owners don't own a PS3, and the PS3 can't be pirated. I'm not saying that Gran Turismo 5 won't reach 10 million (I strongly believe it could), but will it really do it in a year or two? Even Halo 3 took about 2 years to sell 10 million, and that was with one of the biggest advertising campaigns ever. As for the next part, well...that's all a bunch of bullshit and you know it. 70% of Halo 3 buyers are casual gamers who don't know anything about the games they buy? That's trolling, and it's criminal. Halo: ODST is pretty much an expansion to Halo 3 (similar to Frozen Throne being an expansion for Warcraft 3), and yet it still sold tremendously. Gran Turismo 4 struggled to sell over 10 million copies when it launched, and that was to a userbase of over 70 million (at the time). And why do you think Natal will take most of the money for ads? Do you work in Microsoft's advertising department?

Sounds to me like your arguments are nothing more than random speculation. I'm not agree with you.

my piracy argument is not about GT3 losing sales or the Ps3 not being pirated yet, the piracy on ps2 made the franchise grow, because a lot more people had a chance to play the game even if they didn't like the racing sims.

with bundling and advertising campaign it could do easily 100k per week just like halo 3.

the halo 3 advertising campaing was one of the biggest...and we're saying that we will see another campaing like that for another spin-off in the series? ( c'mon if the game would be a sequel, then it would be called Halo 4...and even if the game it's a real sequel, only us the gamers knows about it and most of the halo userbase it's not a gamer community, this never happened in ANY 10M seller game...that's my point of view. ) and, no the 70% stuff is not bullshit...Halo:Combat Evolved sold 6M LTD with a great advertise campaign, the Halo 2 campaing was even bigger, and sold 8M LTD...now Halo 3 had the biggest advertising campaign ever and it sold 10M...there's 4-6M people that bought the game just for the advertising campaign, again, maybe i'm being ignorant, but this is my point of view.

Halo:Odst is not the best example but it's the last sequel to the series, the game is selling pretty well but not the Halo 3 amount, i can see a decline in sales because it's a spin-off, people know this because there's not a 4 in the cover...

Gran Turismo struggled to sell over 10M copies because when it launched, the next-gen was already here, and the piracy in the ps2 was HUGE.

why do i think natal will take most of the money? because i don't think microsoft will do 2 advertise campaigns of the same size as halo 3, That's a LOT of money for a game division...



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Fei-Hung on 13 January 2010

GT3 sold well, but then there was no competition (no Forza).

PS3 has a smaller install base and competition.

Halo sells regardless of it being a sequel, prequel, add on or spin off. Similar to how Mario sells well regardless if he is cart racing, crossing galaxies, playing sports or traveling around the world.

Halo is possibly one of the biggest reasons why there still is an xbox gaming division to this very day. If it were not for halo, would the 360 be where it is now?

GT being as brilliant as it is shares the burden of responsibility with a host of other games and not the core reason why Sony is still around today.

I am not saying GT5 wont do well, I am saying it wont do as well as Halo Reach. The gamers and their fans are totally different. Halo is more of a casual game compared to GT5 being a driving simulator.