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I was reading the actual quote from the Ubi rep, and they actually don't mention the Wii at all. They said they are shifting away from the casual development, specifically for the DS. So they might keep making Wii games, but use their DS teams to focus on the HD systems more.



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routsounmanman said:
Mummelmann said:
I love how every developer that doesn't support the Wii fully are utter shit. Boycott confirmed?

Please then, enlighten us as to why they're not. Show us the quality titles we should rush out and purchase.

I was referring to the tendency to downplay all the games they make, including those on other platforms ("We don't need them, they never make any good games anyway."). The same was done with Capcom earlier on ("Resident Evil 5 isn't a good game anyway, good riddance."). I expect to hear that Crystal Chronicles is a crappy game if SE pulls their support as well.



Mummelmann said:
routsounmanman said:

Please then, enlighten us as to why they're not. Show us the quality titles we should rush out and purchase.

I was referring to the tendency to downplay all the games they make, including those on other platforms ("We don't need them, they never make any good games anyway."). The same was done with Capcom earlier on ("Resident Evil 5 isn't a good game anyway, good riddance."). I expect to hear that Crystal Chronicles is a crappy game if SE pulls their support as well.

Now that isn't fair in several ways and you know it

There are plenty of Wii owners (even in this topic) who acknowledge that Ubisoft has been a way for Wii owners to buy some really good games in the West, whether they actually produced them or not. But there are also people who have always disliked the games Ubisoft put on the Wii.

Also there are a lot of people who already say that Crystal Chronicles is kind of crappy, phoned-in, and/or sent to die.



Khuutra said:
Mummelmann said:
routsounmanman said:

Please then, enlighten us as to why they're not. Show us the quality titles we should rush out and purchase.

I was referring to the tendency to downplay all the games they make, including those on other platforms ("We don't need them, they never make any good games anyway."). The same was done with Capcom earlier on ("Resident Evil 5 isn't a good game anyway, good riddance."). I expect to hear that Crystal Chronicles is a crappy game if SE pulls their support as well.

Now that isn't fair in several ways and you know it

There are plenty of Wii owners (even in this topic) who acknowledge that Ubisoft has been a way for Wii owners to buy some really good games in the West, whether they actually produced them or not. But there are also people who have always disliked the games Ubisoft put on the Wii.

Also there are a lot of people who already say that Crystal Chronicles is kind of crappy, phoned-in, and/or sent to die.

I know all that, no need for you or any of the more levelheaded users to take it to heart. I was talking about those who are actually guilty of this. All consoles have their share of strange fans but, luckily, most of them are normal.



averyblund said:
I'm really mixed. On one hand Ubi has published some real trash on the other hand I'm having GC 2004 flashbacks where 3rd parties ran for the hills leaving my favorite purple lunchbox as a Nintendo machine only.

On on hand a few HD flops can kill you, and dev costs are insane. On the other hand a decent number of great Wii games go off and die. Between half-witted developers, and a fickle Wii base, I'm losing my faith in console gaming in general.

Those who are predicting another 80's style crash are right on. Everybody is losing money, and they clearly have no clue how to turn that around. Sometimes a fresh start is the best way to repair a critically broken industry. If I were a shareholder in anybody but Activision or Nintendo I would be looking for somebodies head after the epic fail they have achieved this gen.

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Mummelmann said:
Khuutra said:

Now that isn't fair in several ways and you know it

There are plenty of Wii owners (even in this topic) who acknowledge that Ubisoft has been a way for Wii owners to buy some really good games in the West, whether they actually produced them or not. But there are also people who have always disliked the games Ubisoft put on the Wii.

Also there are a lot of people who already say that Crystal Chronicles is kind of crappy, phoned-in, and/or sent to die.

I know all that, no need for you or any of the more levelheaded users to take it to heart. I was talking about those who are actually guilty of this. All consoles have their share of strange fans but, luckily, most of them are normal.

Well, okay.

I apologize if I came across as defensive, it was not my intention.



averyblund said:
I'm really mixed. On one hand Ubi has published some real trash on the other hand I'm having GC 2004 flashbacks where 3rd parties ran for the hills leaving my favorite purple lunchbox as a Nintendo machine only.

On on hand a few HD flops can kill you, and dev costs are insane. On the other hand a decent number of great Wii games go off and die. Between half-witted developers, and a fickle Wii base, I'm losing my faith in console gaming in general.

Those who are predicting another 80's style crash are right on. Everybody is losing money, and they clearly have no clue how to turn that around. Sometimes a fresh start is the best way to repair a critically broken industry. If I were a shareholder in anybody but Activision or Nintendo I would be looking for somebodies head after the epic fail they have achieved this gen.

You've listened tp the Wii naysayers for too long , the Wii base is not that fickle, it needs (maybe even more than the HD crowd, since it doesn't go to review sites as much) original content and PROPER MARKETING.



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Raze said:
trestres said:
I've posted this on the other threaad abot this subject, don't know which is the one that's more relevant so I'll repost:

Last year most of the big third party companies "admitted" how wrong they were about ignoring the Wii and commited to quality support. Now a year later after no quality support, they cry because their smelly and poisonous turds didn 't sell and threaten Nintendo they will go away. Just go away and eat your own turds.

We know so far that Sega, Capcom, Ubisoft and EA will focus on the HD consoles from now on.
But we also know that Konami, Namco Bandai, Square Enix and Activision haven't announced anything notable for the Wii since 2008 and most of their big games are heading towards the HD consoles as well as all their recent announcements. Nintendo can say good bye to 3rd party quality support for the Wii from the big companies. Maybe they should try and destroy them by buying them and letting them die or just release countless 1st party games to drown them, as well as help the smaller companies.

Disaster has occured for Nintendo, next gen might be catastrophical for them or for 3rd parties.

I'm not sure I can fully agree with you on this. Konami just put out Silent Hill on the Wii, which is slow out of the gate, but the buzz is building. SE has MH3 coming out in the West in the spring, a large budget title, Activision put out WaW and COD:Reflex. I don't get why you think this is not support?

Sega hasn't really said much of anything, as they are still putting games out for the Wii. Capcom's statement was from non-decision makers, so that leaves Ubisoft and EA as the only ones officially on record. Why are you trying to make it sound like the sky is falling for Nintendo?

If anything, look back to last gen, the lack of 3rd party support was very noticeable on the GameCube, and the companies scrambled back to Nintendo once they saw the Wii was selling like wild. Even if more 3rd parties drop Wii support, what's to say that they won't be flocking back to Nintendo's system next generation?

You sound very pessimistic on the topic, though it seems unwarranted. How many studios have shut down now because of their high budget HD games? The risk is more prevalent there with a lower chance of recovering investment.

What would be interersting is that the talk of going "HD only" might refer to inside knowledge of Nintendo's next system, as it does take 2-3 years to develop a game, implying a game for 2012-2013.

SE is not making or publishing MH3. Capcom is, and the game has already been released in Japan half a year ago. Same with Tatsunoko, the game is more than 1 year old, it's that you think they are putting out games because their localization teams take ages. Capcom is only bringing Sengoku Basara 3 in the future for the Wii, but they are giving the PS3 the superior version of the game with online play and HD graphics. Nothing else from them.
For the HD's they have Dark Void, Lost Planet 2, Dead Rising 2, Resident Evil 5 Gold Edition and Super Street Fighter 4.

Konami has put Silent Hill: SM for the Wii recently, but what else do they have coming up? More dance dance revolution? Late entries of their Pro Evolution series? Arcade ports? Walk it out?
Meanwhile they are giving the HD consoles Castlevania: Lords of Shadow, Metal Gear Solid Rising, Pro Evoution (on time).

Namco Bandai, well, they have nothing coming up for the Wii.
For the HD's they have Dead to Rights: Retribution, Enslaved, Splatterhouse, Clash of the Titans.

Square Enix, well they have DQX coming up for the Wii but besides that they have NOTHING and have announced nothing since 2008, yes it is their biggest game, but they have absolutely nothing else for the Wii, which is strange considering they are giving it their biggest game.
For the HD's they have FFvsXIII, FFXIV, Nier Replicant, Nier Gestalt, Star Ocean 4 International, Front Mission Evolved, Supreme Commander 2, Just Cause 2, Kane & Lynch 2, Age of Conan: Hyborian Adventures, Deus Ex 3, Highlander, Arkaham Asylum 2.

EA has NBA Jam coming out for the Wii as an exclusive, but what else? The yearly iterations of their sports games, which are all inferior save for TigerWoods PGA Tour (which they might ditch thanks to his problems).
Meanwhile they will give the HD consoles American McGee Alice II, Dead Space 2, Dante's Inferno, Dragon Age Origins: Awakening, Mass Effect 2, LMNO, Medal of Honour Modern Combat (or whatever), Rage, Skate 3, Battlefield Bad Company 2, Crysis 2, EA Sports MMA, and many Sports games exclusive to the HD's.

Sega has Super Monkey Ball: Step & Roll coming up for the Wii, and what else? Sonic All star Racing (on the HD's too). Nothing else.
For the HD's they are brining Alien vs. Predator, Alien: Colonial Marines, Alpha Protocol, Resonance of Fate and Armored Core 5.

Activision, besides their multiplatform music and peripheral games like DJ Hero or Tony Hawk's Ride, the only notable game they have coming up for the Wii is CoD 7, which will be inferior to their HD counterparts, like all of the previous CoD have been.
For the HD's on the other hand they have Blur, Gun 2, Singularity, True Crime.

Ubisoft has Red Steel 2 and NMH2 coming up, but after these, what else have they got? Their recent statements make it clear that not much, if anything notable will come out from their studios for the Wii. More Raving Rabbids milking? Just Dance 2? A movie tie in Prince of Persia game?
The HD's will have Splinter Cell, Beyond Good & Evil 2, I Am Alive, R.U.S.E., Ghost Recon Predator.


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trestres - First, who? 2nd, not denying reality, I'm just saying that there are games, where you say there are none. 1 or 2 games doesn't equal 0 games. I could go and fight every point, but I really don't feel like typing much. I meant to say that SE had DQX, as you mentioned, not MH3. I will say that you left out FFCB that just came out weeks ago. 2 SE titles in a short matter of time is quite a bit better than their GC support, no? As for Capcom, does it matter if it released in Japan a while ago? It still hasnt reached the bigger markets.

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