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Senlis on 13 January 2010

@ Kenryoku_Maxis

When I can so easily describe all JRPGs (w/ a few exceptions) with one stereotype, doesn't that support my argument?

@ Riachu

Linear/non-linear has little to do with interaction. I was referring to RPGs where you choose how the dialog/story progresses. An example would be The Witcher, where the main character has a personality of his own, but you still have decisions you can make during dialog.




 

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Kenryoku_Maxis on 13 January 2010
Senlis said:
@ Kenryoku_Maxis

When I can so easily describe all JRPGs (w/ a few exceptions) with one stereotype, doesn't that support my argument?

That's my whole point.  And has been the point of every post I have made.  You and many other people keep thinking you can summerize the entire JRPG genre, whether its in one sentence or a paragraph.  And I'm telling you everything you've been saying has massive exceptions, not just a 'few'.



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outlawauron on 14 January 2010
MRFENIX said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
MRFENIX said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
MRFENIX said:
Jumpin said:
The biggest problem I have with Western RPGs is that, unlike more mainstream type RPGs like Final Fantasy, they focus solely on a target audience of power nerds and dungeon of dragons nerds. They focus on the same nerdy audience who has to play shooters online 90 hours a week and listen to lots of heavy metal music so they can feel uber 1337 hardcore badass (even though they probably can't even jog a half a kilometer without passing out and dying). That's why the more mainstream Japanese RPGs are more popular and will continue to remain so.

Yeah, it is much better to focus on forum dwelling anime nerds.

Final Fantasy and Tales are not all JRPGs.  There ARE JRPGs that target markets beyond 10-18 year old males.

And by beyond you mean forum dwelling anime nerds?

You mean like you?

I'm talking games like Dragon Quest, Phantasy Star and Monster Hunter.  Which hit markets beyond that age group in Japan.

Sorry but I hate anime. ;(

Those games are exactly the kind of games which appeal only to the anime nerds.

Wow, this is some of the most ignorant bull I've ever seen. I think you need to get a reality check and just see what kind of people play Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest.



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Riachu on 14 January 2010
Mr Khan said:

Yeah, a lot of WRPGs are very, very guilty of cliches too. Dragon Age made no effort to hide it, and Fallout's "lone wanderer of post-apocalyptic wasteland" is certainly not the epitome of creativity. Tropes are the foundation of video game stories, and of great stories in general (Star Wars and its epic story is king of the tropes, after all, as is pretty much everything else that's awesome)

 

Battle system diversity definitely helps. The worlds don't need to be fully interactive, they just need to be more reactive

 

And i don't like full voice-acting. Call me old fashioned, but i don't. I'll take talking heads over hours of blather any day.

It's hard to make an entirely original story in any medium anymore.  Execution is more important these days than originally.



 

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dobby985 on 14 January 2010
outlawauron said:
MRFENIX said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
MRFENIX said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
MRFENIX said:
Jumpin said:
The biggest problem I have with Western RPGs is that, unlike more mainstream type RPGs like Final Fantasy, they focus solely on a target audience of power nerds and dungeon of dragons nerds. They focus on the same nerdy audience who has to play shooters online 90 hours a week and listen to lots of heavy metal music so they can feel uber 1337 hardcore badass (even though they probably can't even jog a half a kilometer without passing out and dying). That's why the more mainstream Japanese RPGs are more popular and will continue to remain so.

Yeah, it is much better to focus on forum dwelling anime nerds.

Final Fantasy and Tales are not all JRPGs.  There ARE JRPGs that target markets beyond 10-18 year old males.

And by beyond you mean forum dwelling anime nerds?

You mean like you?

I'm talking games like Dragon Quest, Phantasy Star and Monster Hunter.  Which hit markets beyond that age group in Japan.

Sorry but I hate anime. ;(

Those games are exactly the kind of games which appeal only to the anime nerds.

Wow, this is some of the most ignorant bull I've ever seen. I think you need to get a reality check and just see what kind of people play Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest.

I love anime and I dislike JRPGs.



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outlawauron on 14 January 2010
dobby985 said:
outlawauron said:
MRFENIX said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
MRFENIX said:
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
MRFENIX said:
Jumpin said:
The biggest problem I have with Western RPGs is that, unlike more mainstream type RPGs like Final Fantasy, they focus solely on a target audience of power nerds and dungeon of dragons nerds. They focus on the same nerdy audience who has to play shooters online 90 hours a week and listen to lots of heavy metal music so they can feel uber 1337 hardcore badass (even though they probably can't even jog a half a kilometer without passing out and dying). That's why the more mainstream Japanese RPGs are more popular and will continue to remain so.

Yeah, it is much better to focus on forum dwelling anime nerds.

Final Fantasy and Tales are not all JRPGs.  There ARE JRPGs that target markets beyond 10-18 year old males.

And by beyond you mean forum dwelling anime nerds?

You mean like you?

I'm talking games like Dragon Quest, Phantasy Star and Monster Hunter.  Which hit markets beyond that age group in Japan.

Sorry but I hate anime. ;(

Those games are exactly the kind of games which appeal only to the anime nerds.

Wow, this is some of the most ignorant bull I've ever seen. I think you need to get a reality check and just see what kind of people play Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest.

I love anime and I dislike JRPGs.

More to my point. The fanbases are far larger than anime nerds. 



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And snuggle the girls be they short or tall,
Then follow young Mat whenever he calls,
To dance with Jak o' the Shadows."

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Scoobes on 14 January 2010
klystron said:
Scoobes said:

If you want character development you may want to give Planescape Torment or The Witcher a go. Unlike other Western RPGs where you build a character from scratch and you give him your own motivations, the main characters in those 2 have deep rooted motivations with deep and involving storylines. The other thing is that the story is more original than in most RPGs (both J and W variety).

Thanks for the tips. Unfortunately, I don't have a Windows machine. I only game on consoles. I got out of PC gaming in 2002 when I finally had enough of buying a game for $50 and then waiting 6 months for patches. (No offense to PC gamers, it just wasn't for me.)

Fair enough. I think there is a book adptation of Planescape if you're interested in the story (by Ray and Valerie Vallese), although it's slightly different.




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Scoobes on 14 January 2010
Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Senlis said:
@ Kenryoku_Maxis

When I can so easily describe all JRPGs (w/ a few exceptions) with one stereotype, doesn't that support my argument?

That's my whole point.  And has been the point of every post I have made.  You and many other people keep thinking you can summerize the entire JRPG genre, whether its in one sentence or a paragraph.  And I'm telling you everything you've been saying has massive exceptions, not just a 'few'.

Can you think up a word that summarizes and stereotypes WRPGs in the same way pople in this thread have done with JRPGs? JRPGs really haven't evolved much recently. At the end of the day, WRPGs have evolved more than their Eastern counterparts in recent years.




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RageBot on 14 January 2010
Senlis said:
first, to the "JRPG gamers are getting tired, moving to WRPGs and, seeing how they are different, assume it is innovation". That may be true for some people, but what about older gamers like myself and the editors of IGN. I (I can't speak for IGN) have been playing JRPGs and WRPGs for years and have seen far more innovation on the WRPG side.

As for posters such as Rastline, it is apparent that the JRPG fans don't seem to want innovation. Most of them want the same game they got on the SNES. If the JRPG developers sensed that JRPG fans wanted something new, they would innovate their games in a new and unique way for their market.

And random encounters suck. I don't see why anyone would like them or argue that they are good. It is just lazy programming if you ask me.

This will really get some people mad, but it must be said. Video games are an interactive media. The best stories are ones that you, the player, interact with. WRPGs tend to play more to this aspect by making you the main character, and if you play the story that way, it can be very rewarding. JRPGs tend to play more non-interactive, where it is more like watching a movie or reading a book rather than playing a game. The sad thing is that a great JRPG cannot compare with a great movie or book. This is besides the point, however, since IGN is not saying JRPGs should be like WRGPs. That would completely defeat the purpose of innovation if they were to innovate to something that already exists (and therefore would not be innovation).

Lol, so, since Movies are a passive form of entertainment, the best movie stories are the ones you're passive towards?

You didn't play enough good JRPGs (or WRPGs), don't argue with those who did.



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RageBot on 14 January 2010

And I LOL about the pepole who think WRPGs "evolved", change isn't the same as evolution, WRPGs today are an extremely dumbed-down version of their former selves, and anyone who will play Planescape: Torment will quickly realise that I am right, and he was wrong.



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