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Ps3 is gd at some crap then, but the fact remains that a high end pc gpu would rape the ps3 10 times over without having a rest at whats actually important.



 

 

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Btw, i dont know how crysis 2 will look on consoles. Tho i do KNOW that it will be dumbed down. Pretty sure itll run on about medium settings at a lowish res to what a pc does.



 

 

^Yes ofcourse. But as far as I understood it this has nothing to do with which hardware has more power. But that the CPU from the PS3 can make AA and PC Cpus cant do that or just not so good. Which is not surprising because the Cell is not a classical CPU its a mix.


But ofcourse a highend GPU would crush the PS3 is anyone doubting that ?



Netyaroze said:
^Yes ofcourse. But as far as I understood it this has nothing to do with which hardware has more power. But that the CPU from the PS3 can make AA and PC Cpus cant do that or just not so good. Which is not surprising because the Cell is not a classical CPU its a mix.


But ofcourse a highend GPU would crush the PS3 is anyone doubting that ?

A PC CPU or GPU could do this form of AA. But they have other more efficient methods to do it, so why would they bother? Pandemic would not have explored this method if the PS3s GPU was adept at AA.



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Haste262 said:
Btw, i dont know how crysis 2 will look on consoles. Tho i do KNOW that it will be dumbed down. Pretty sure itll run on about medium settings at a lowish res to what a pc does.

 

Yes it will be dumbed down. Thats not surprsing the resolution will be lower and less details worse textures and so on but will Crysis 2 on consoles look better then cysis 1 on low settings ? 

 

Crysis 1 on low settings is already surpassed by far with killzone 2. So we can assume it will look better then Crysis 1 on low settings. 

 

@TwistedPixel.

 

So if the PC Cpu can do the same what is this article about ? 

Is this just a lie ? :

 

"The PS3 rendition of Pandemic’s The Saboteur is different though. It’s special. It’s trying something new that’s never been seen before on console, or indeed PC, and its results are terrific. In a best-case scenario you get edge-smoothing that is beyond the effect of 16x multi-sampling anti-aliasing, effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance. Compare and contrast with Xbox 360 hardware, which tops out at 4x MSAA."

 

Infact I dont care about it but why do they say such things if its not true ? To impress a couple of hundred people on the Internet ? or are they just so dumb that they dont know what they are talking about ? 

 



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In case you didn't read the rest of the article, it mentioned that there are a lot of edge cases that produce inferior results using this AA method as compared to more industry standard methods.

DICE gave it a shot and while it seems to be good for still shots, apparently it suffers in motion.

http://forum.beyond3d.com/showpost.php?p=1368088&postcount=165

Pandemic does get credit for being resourceful in hiding the technique's limitations, however.



 

meehan666 said:

raygun said:
BS? What BS? The question was "could the PS3 run Crysis on say low setting's"? That's LOW SETTINGS. And the DF article sums up: "CryTek's technical showcase on console is an intriguing mix of sub-medium-level settings for some elements, all the way up to "very high" in others." Sounds like that's somewhat better than LOW settings, so where's the BS?

YOU - "They have the Crysis 2 engine running on PS3 and 360, and it looks great, better than Crysis 1 engine"


That's the BS. The Cryengine 2 on consoles has not matched Crysis 1 graphics, let alone surpassed them.

 

Well, does the Cryengine 3 on console look better than Crysis 1- ON LOW SETTINGS ?? THAT WAS THE QUESTION! Have you tried Crysis ! on LOW SETTINGS, pretty sad. Hell, I think Farcry2 on PS3 looked better than Crysis 1,on low, med and maybe even some high settings. I haven't played Crysis in a few years, I don't think it's the ultimate graphically now any way, there's many new game engines out today that look great, and have some better features. Was the snow in Uncharted 2 better than in Crysis? Wasn't the water in Uncharted 1 much more advanced than in Crysis? (You actually went upstream, up waterfalls, it wasn't flat). I think they could duplicate a Crysis map in quite a few other engines, even Uncharted2's. Any way, isn't fun to argue?



Twistedpixel said:
Netyaroze said:
^Yes ofcourse. But as far as I understood it this has nothing to do with which hardware has more power. But that the CPU from the PS3 can make AA and PC Cpus cant do that or just not so good. Which is not surprising because the Cell is not a classical CPU its a mix.


But ofcourse a highend GPU would crush the PS3 is anyone doubting that ?

A PC CPU or GPU could do this form of AA. But they have other more efficient methods to do it, so why would they bother? Pandemic would not have explored this method if the PS3s GPU was adept at AA.


Well, if you read the article, you would see that the results were BETTER than what they could get with a high end PC video card, with NO PERFORMANCE PENALTY. Again, read the article, I didn't write it, Digital Foundry wrote it.

raygun said:
Twistedpixel said:
Netyaroze said:
^Yes ofcourse. But as far as I understood it this has nothing to do with which hardware has more power. But that the CPU from the PS3 can make AA and PC Cpus cant do that or just not so good. Which is not surprising because the Cell is not a classical CPU its a mix.


But ofcourse a highend GPU would crush the PS3 is anyone doubting that ?

A PC CPU or GPU could do this form of AA. But they have other more efficient methods to do it, so why would they bother? Pandemic would not have explored this method if the PS3s GPU was adept at AA.


Well, if you read the article, you would see that the results were BETTER than what they could get with a high end PC video card, with NO PERFORMANCE PENALTY. Again, read the article, I didn't write it, Digital Foundry wrote it.

I read the article and no the performance is not better and the improvement in image quality was not better because this is a form of AA which introduces artifacts at the same time as it removes aliasing artifacts. If you want perfect AA check this out:

http://mlab.taik.fi/~kkallio/antialiasing/images.html

http://graphics.stanford.edu/courses/cs248-03/scan/scan2.html

Analytical anti-aliasing.

Or you could go coverage sample + transparency multisampling AA

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/27892-nvidia-s-geforce-gf100-under-microscope-10.html

Oh and in computing a free lunch is an exceptionally rare thing. There are generally trade-offs to be made and negative consequences to be minimised.

A modern graphics card has fixed function hardware dedicated to AA. On a per transistor basis or per watt basis, this is far more efficient than this form of AA.



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Netyaroze said:

 

@TwistedPixel.

 

So if the PC Cpu can do the same what is this article about ? 

Is this just a lie ? :

 

"The PS3 rendition of Pandemic’s The Saboteur is different though. It’s special. It’s trying something new that’s never been seen before on console, or indeed PC, and its results are terrific. In a best-case scenario you get edge-smoothing that is beyond the effect of 16x multi-sampling anti-aliasing, effectively delivering an effect better than the capabilities of high-end GPUs without crippling performance. Compare and contrast with Xbox 360 hardware, which tops out at 4x MSAA."

 

Infact I dont care about it but why do they say such things if its not true ? To impress a couple of hundred people on the Internet ? or are they just so dumb that they dont know what they are talking about ? 

 

Just because something hasn't been done doesn't mean that it cannot be done. All hes saying is that is hasn't been done on the PC platform or the Xbox 360.



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