a question for you then, if you do infact own a wii.  

name some great games you liked on the system that aren't made by nintendo.

now name some known franchises that have flopped on the Wii, that weren't ported later.  you know series games like call of duty 4, monster hunter 3, halo 3, metal gear solid 4, ect.  (i know they aren't all wii games, just bringing up examples of known quality series)

its just stupid how so many bitch about how you can't make a good game on the wii and all games are shit.  sorry but then what happened last gen and gen's before.  the wii is more powerful than any prior generation console, so if a developer can make an amazing game for the PS2, then why do they just release shit for teh Wii.  We are not seeing their main games with full support behind them on teh wii.  they always say "ooh we are doing something amazing and new and unique and full support for wii game"  bullshit.  like ffcrystal bearers instead of a ff#.  based on review on this site it is a shit game.  or them bitchign about say modern warfare reflex selling bad or something.  its like f*off, you release a game super late and when like 2 later call of duties are already out.  

I dont want to hear a developer bitch about sales until the game is a well made game that is one of their proven series main game, not some side story of it.  when they release a resident evil 6 for all systems same day and it flops on Wii, then I will listen.  but don't bitch about random arcade games like resident evil railshooters not selling well.  i'm sorry, but were not morons, we know a good game when we see it.    and how many games have i seen on the wii that have shittier graphics than ps2 games.  seriosuly is 2010, and a more powerful system.  how lazy are you guys.  

http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=97504&page=1#23

all the red ink this gen says otherwise almost the polar opposite, unfortunately too many developers assume their game will be Call of duty or grand theft auto, third parties really need to wake up and make better wii games that aren't bizarre and ultra violent (no more heroes/madworld), in dead genres (zak & wiki) or gimped ports/ wierd genre changes (castlevania, soul calibur). 

sucessful third party games are easy enough to find

resident evil 4, guitar heroes, shuan white, rabbids go home, silent hill, de blob, call of duty,basically anything that is successful on the HD consoles even if it is completely broken or massively gimped performs decently, tomb raider underworld, ghost busters, up until doing wierd things madden was doing fine,

if developers choose to they could focus on every failure on the HD consoles and act like its they end of the world, but they won't because they've invested too heavily into the HD consoles to admit they were wrong

If you are right then 3rd party developers have to be dumb as hell. They know they made a mistake but claim the opossite and complain about the platform which could be their saviour.

They are going to perish. Knowing what they could do to to avoid this but because they are narrow minded they prefer to die on the HD Consoles instead to go the SD way.

I wonder why they are so stupid. And why they are all lying all the time and why the hell they are making even more games for the HD Consoles so they loose even more money. The people rather let their family starve then to admit that they made a mistake.

Well I bought the game brand new full price when it came out, and found it was one of the most charming experiences in video games. I've been a gamer for more than 20 years...

Did you look through the list of buy outs closing and mergers just this year?

have you been reading financial reports? numerous publishers are bleeding money, developers with the major hits on the HD consoles will be just fine, and even that isn't a certainty,  How many of them can you honestly say have spent a comparable resources on comparable products on the wii as they have been on the HD twins? How many times has the wii needed to be tested by a strange game? the HD twins? why is dead space extraction being treated by many as some sort of proof positive of the wii's inability to move games?  Why are failures like golden axe beast rider or bionic commando quietly forgotten?  People are stubborn in their ways to destructive ends at times(why do people keep smoking even when they know it is harmful?)

a stranglehold or two for almost anyone could easily be fatal

ultimately it comes down to explaining things to their shareholders, nice ambiguous language can be used with the wii, volitile market, or statements that can't be proven such as claiming the wii is put away for months at a time, explanation with the HD twins would call for an explanation as to why costs exceeded revenue, not some vague shift in buying habits. Especailly when you do not want to change how you do business?

They did......but all of a sudden capcom feels the need to report sales rather than shipped numbers....

Not that the game succeeded, but for those who don't bother reading anything except the title (and maybe the OP) - 126,000 are NA numbers:
http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/newsArt.cfm?artid=20740
http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/952/952652p1.html

Yes I read it if you are right and its like you say and not like the 3rd party publisher say and its the HD Consoles fault and not the Wiis then i wonder how dumb they actually are and I wonder why they want to destroy their Companys purposly because they know that in the end it they will get their bill.

I never had a company but I would be worried if its possible that it can go the way you explained. I had the impression that companys learned some things the past 50 years. You remember the time the japanese begun to be the kings in electronic the western companys had to learn that if they dont follow the market and stick with their habits they are going bankrupt.

But it seems they havent learned a thing.

Another thing is why they dont lie they can still pretend they invested the money correct. But despite it make new games for the wii.

And why the hell the smaller companys dont invest more money in the wii ? Why because its an untapped market everybody knows there lies the money but there is actually nobody to pick it up.

it could be like you say but it could also be that they are not lying all the time and you just dont have the overview to make a correct estimation about it. How can you know how much money they spend for a PS3 game and a Wii game ? Infact some of the PS3/360 games sell 5 times more then their Wii counterparts. Sometimes even 10times more. That would make up for the costs which are 2-3 times higher.

I studied such things and I know that Companys do sometimes things which can damage them. But infact they recalculate everything. And they are not dumb believe what you want to believe but trust me they have damn good reasons to do what they do.

Why do you think they are suicidal ? You will see they wont go down. Some may take damage some are going to profit is always like this every generation but they will grow the buisness will grow. 

Ok:

HD gaming development is expensive. But its getting cheaper all the time. Every generation step costs money. The companys have to buy new equipment have to learn new things about the hardware have to develop tools. But once the tools are out the equipment payed the employees educated the engines developed. The costs go down massively. because they wont take much more men power to make those games.
HD gaming is expensive but it gets cheaper. They probably make their decisions based on estimations of future years because then the costs will be max 2 times higher. And you probably overestimate the costs for the games. Most games are between 10-20 Million and they break even with 500k-1 Million Copies sold. Wii games cost maybe 5-7,5 million list me the million seller on Wii from the third party developers.


Money is a strong motivator you underestimate its power to companys.

And if some people would have made bad decisions someone would have noticed it pretty quick those people are fired quickly because infact its a battle field u their and people just wait for the oportunity to discover the mistakes of someone.

A single company makes mistakes yes and sometimes stick with them until the end but not ALL of them thats delusional. They have good reasons for it. And they are not ALL wrong thats stupid to think and dont forget HD market is bigger then Sd market and has a higher attach rate. Especially if you subtract all first party titels. Nintendo Wii is not the golden land.


But we will wait how this thing develops.


If you think that they are loosing all together money then list me the games which where doing good on Wii and list me the games you think which didnt break even.
You cant know how they make their internal calculation they will regain the cost pretty quickly for the costs they had which always are there if a new generation of console comes.


I am willing to believe your theory really Its a possibility but I need something some numbers/articles to back this theory up.

http://vgchartz.com/games/index.php?&results=50&name=&console=Wii&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=&region=All&alphasort=

Try looking it up yourself.  As it has been stated by Iwata himself, something like 34 of the top 50 best selling titles on the Wii, all million sellers, are from third party publishers.  And Monster Hunter 3 isn't even near there yet.