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CASS1DY on 07 January 2010

360< Wii< PS3  The inevitable future has been revealed



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The Ghost of RubangB on 07 January 2010
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
It doesn't seem likely that PS3 will catch up, especially with a PS4 coming in 2011 or 2012

The PS1 and PS2 both sold for 10 years +

Why wont PS3 continue to sell for upto 10 years? It is still curently in line with PS1 shipments/sales.

Only market leaders sell for 10+ years.  NES, SNES, PS1, PS2, Wii.  In Japan, they were still manufacturing and selling Famicoms for 20 years.  3rd place (or even 2nd place) consoles never last 10 years.  When the 8th generation starts, developers will move to the new consoles, the new handhelds, and the Wii for the ridiculously huge userbase it will have by then.



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sabby_e17 on 07 January 2010
coolbeans said:
sabby_e17 said:
coolbeans said:
sabby_e17 said:
coolbeans said:
sabby_e17 said:
The gap will be 1 million by the end of 2010.

A 360 price cut WILL happen this year but thats the only thing holding PS3 back from from over taking the 360.

I'm bored so I feel like betting if you want to.


Lets do it.

Although if you're kind enough, I'm guessing you'd let me increase that number to 1.5 million.

That's fine.


So now what?

meh I suppose sig control for a week or something along the lines of just giving utter praise in sig for a week is fine by me.  Not exactly sure what else there may be (except weekly bans but I find that harsh), being my first bet and all .

This will be my first bet too...sig control for a week it is then.

The bet is: Sabby-e17 bets that the gap between PS3 and 360 sales will be below 1.5 million by 31st Dec 2010. Who ever wins gets sig control for a week...




binary solo on 07 January 2010
Blood_Tears said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
The reason PS3 caught up was because it matched the 360's price, if 360 price cuts, then it has price advantage and PS3 falls back behind like before

Matched the 360's price?

When did the PS3 become $199?

360 already has a $100 price advantage.

Nope, sorry when consumers compare, they compare the elite to the PS3 they don't include the arcade, the PS3 currently matches the elite in price, so that gives it the advantage, but that advantage will be gone as soon as the 360 gains price advantage.


wow!!!  OMG Hold on everybody Avinash_Tyagi is the all seeing, all dancing, and all knowing CONSUMER!!!   He knows exactly what every single consumer in the world is thinking and how they compare products!  And omg, he's here on vgchartz to grace us with his almighty presence...

So Arcades no longer sell?

Nope, sorry, when consumers compare, they compare to whatever the latest ads are promoting the systems. If MS are pushing the Arcade then they are comparing Arcade price to PS3 price. If MS are pushing the Elite then they are comparing Elite with PS3. When they walk into the shop they are weighing up PS3 vs Elite vs Arcade.

In any case, in a lot of markets the Elite is $50-$70 cheaper than PS3 still. So saying Elite price = PS3 price is plain wrong for quite a few countries.

Avinash is right though, if 360 cuts the Elite price substantially then 360 will start outselling PS3 worldwide again. BHR-3 basically worked out the price differential between PS3 and 360 that more or less determines which console will have the higher average weekly sales world wide. Can't remember what he worked it out to be though.



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dirkd2323 on 07 January 2010

What is your point, the 360 has a year and a half head start, and had holiday all to them selves , with all this 5m inits ahead is nothing. PS3 is just getting started.



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Carl on 07 January 2010
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
It doesn't seem likely that PS3 will catch up, especially with a PS4 coming in 2011 or 2012

The PS1 and PS2 both sold for 10 years +

Why wont PS3 continue to sell for upto 10 years? It is still curently in line with PS1 shipments/sales.

Only market leaders sell for 10+ years.  NES, SNES, PS1, PS2, Wii.  In Japan, they were still manufacturing and selling Famicoms for 20 years.  3rd place (or even 2nd place) consoles never last 10 years.  When the 8th generation starts, developers will move to the new consoles, the new handhelds, and the Wii for the ridiculously huge userbase it will have by then.

And market leaders usually have huge marketshare and the best 3rd party support...

As this gen has shown, it's far from a normal generation. Anything can, and probably will happen.

Sure, 10 Years (2016) will be tough and is probably unlikely... But it's still possible.



                            

killeryoshis on 07 January 2010

lol people are saying that they compare Arcade with PS3. But where I live. Everyone thinks Arcade is worthless and Elite is the one to get.I'm not sure how true is that. Though I think if the Elite got a price cut to $200 dollers. PS3 is screwed or atleast over here.


Enough of that.This thread remids me of the 16 bit wars. Though this time its for 2nd place. Though its the fans who are doing this not the companies atlleast not like the 16bit wars



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Carl on 07 January 2010
Soriku said:
Carl2291 said:

And market leaders usually have huge marketshare and the best 3rd party support...

As this gen has shown, it's far from a normal generation. Anything can, and probably will happen.

Sure, 10 Years (2016) will be tough and is probably unlikely... But it's still possible.


Even in the crazy situation that the PS3 ends up selling a significant amount in 10 years time, they're still going to release a new console before then.

I never said they wouldn't.



                            

binary solo on 07 January 2010
dirkd2323 said:

What is your point, the 360 has a year and a half head start, and had holiday all to them selves , with all this 5m inits ahead is nothing. PS3 is just getting started.

If people wanted to make it a level playing field to determine who takes 2nd place in lifetime sales this gen then you'd have to give PS3 an equal amount of selling time as the 360, or the end of the PS3's shelf-life, whichever comes first.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 07 January 2010
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Carl2291 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
^lack of profits, third place, certain failure of the wand (read disruption theory to understand why)

Take your pick carl

What do any of them have to do with how much PS3 will sell lifetime? Looks to me like your usual trolling...

Sales. Which are currently actually not inline with PS1, but above PS1... Which managed to sell over 100 Million units. Now, im not saying PS3 will hit the 100M milestone, but the future is indeed bright for the PS3.

Yet to hit a mass market price and still yet to see colours or its biggest exclusive. Also room for another redesign... And with 3D becoming pretty big and popular, it has that in the bag too.

Sorry Carl, but compare to PSP:

http://vgchartz.com/hwlaunch.php?cons1=PSP®1=All&cons2=PS3®2=All&cons3=PSP®3=All&weeks=240

PSP is higher than PS3 and is around 55 million, so PS3 has probably less potential than PSP in a best case scenario, since its undertracking the PSP, but even more problematic is the 360 is its competitor, so it has to face the fact that if 360 price drops, PS3's sales will drop off, so it probably has even less potential than the PSP overall.

PS3 is also limited by the fact that when the PS4 is announced, PS3 sales will drop off, as people will be looking to the next gen, so PS3 does have limits on how much it will sell which are clearly visible, and its nowhere near the PS1

Comparing a handheld with very little support and mas spiracy to a console with a fuck load of support and basicly no piracy... Okay, but hey! YOU gave me an idea.

Aligned launched eh? Comparing PS3 to PSP aligned? Just take a look at this graph.

As we can see, 360 has less potential than the PS3 and PSP... So PS3 will obviously finish up with more sales in the end. And when the next 360 is announced, 360 sales will drop off as people will be looking to the next gen or PS3.

Now please, bring your spin to this one, i find it amusing.

Less potential, but a year ahead Carl, see PS3 will have one less year on the market than 360, so while PS3 might have more potential, it won't live long enough to meet it, because as I pointed out when PS4 is announced PS3 is dead



 

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