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superchunk on 06 January 2010

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@BoneyBoy

Recently quite a few "fads" turned out to be resounding successes but hell, you could be right.

I must disagree with the cost of 3D glasses.

I paid an extra £1.50 (about US$2 give or take a few cents) to see avatar 3D and got the 3D specs.
If that is too expensive you need to ask your parents for more pocket money.

That's the difference between the the passive system found in theaters and the shutter glasses found in the current home solution. Google the home 3D glasses and you have to purchase a $100+ set that includes one (1) shutter glasses and an emitter. That means at best you'd have to spend $50 or so for each person who wants to watch a 3D movie in your house if they no longer need the special software and the emitter is built into the TV.

The theater version has cheap plastic lenses, not battery powered wireless shutter glasses. Big difference and why I made my point above about the current flawed system.

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Netyaroze on 06 January 2010

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1. There are many different types of 3D and neither PS3 or 360 can do the 120 hz field-sequential 3D. They can't output 120 hz refresh rate...CAN NOT!

So the PS3 can display sort of a 3d but not 120hz field sequential ? For what is it used this 3d and what exactly is the difference and why cant the PS3 do that are there any bottlenecks ?
The PS3 is 3d Bluray compatibe what kind of 3d is it ? How many different types of 3d are actually existing and which one is the best ?

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disolitude on 06 January 2010

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1. There are many different types of 3D and neither PS3 or 360 can do the 120 hz field-sequential 3D. They can't output 120 hz refresh rate...CAN NOT!

So the PS3 can display sort of a 3d but not 120hz field sequential ? For what is it used this 3d and what exactly is the difference and why cant the PS3 do that are there any bottlenecks ?
The PS3 is 3d Bluray compatibe what kind of 3d is it ? How many different types of 3d are actually existing and which one is the best ?

Correct...as thigns stand PS3 does not do 120 hz output. Only 60 hz... Sony may have a magic update in the works but this to me sounds like a hardwre limitation.Im really curous how they will make it work actually...with bluray. I frankly doubt we will see any 120 hz 3D gaming on PS3 or 360.

Both ps3 and 360 can do the 60 hz checkerboard 3D because they don't have to do anythingg to acomplish this. Its all done by the TV and the game 3D driver. This works by deviding the screen in to a checkerboard and have a each second square show an image for each eye.

Here is a page explaining this... http://pages.samsung.com/us/dlp3d/whatis3d.html

To this day, using the tech available, checkerboard 3D looks better than the real 120 hz 3D because LCD TVs have 0.3 milisecond delay which causes ghosting.

Unless this changes at CES 2010 and these new LCD TVs have 0.0000001 milisecond pixel latency...checkerboard will still look better and give you less ghosting on screen.

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DevDas on 06 January 2010

disolitude said:

RVDondaPC said:
Finally? Uh they aren't announcing Sony finally getting involved in 3D. They are just announcing a new joint venture that Sony is a part of. BTW Sony is the only company that is involved in all aspects of the 3D bandwagon, which is manufacturing the hardware, producing the content, and providing the content. So to say THEY are the company that needs some serious work to be an industry leader is a little ignorant as they are one of, if not, the company that is putting the most eggs inside the 3D basket and has been doing so for some time now.

What are you talking about? Sony doesn't have a single 3D ready TV on the market. Nor have they published a single piece of software in 3D,

What content?

Sony has released ONE 3D movie in theaters...Polar Express. Other studios have 4-5 movies released in 3D.

The TV channel is everyone here is talking about is a Sony/Imax venture...called Discovery 3D, which is great...however I am willing to bet the content will not have anything to do with sony. Also, ESPN is delivering 3D sports channel summer 2010. We still don't have a release date for the sony Imax venture.

Sony is going to announce a 3D Tv at CES...you know it, I know it. and they will be 3 years late to the party.

Also its going to be hillarious seeing the playstation fans stand up and pretend sony is leading the industry when they announce that PS3 can play 3d blurays.

EDIT - As things stand now, 3D industry leaders are:

Nvidia - they've been making 3D game drivers since 1990s

Samsung - first 3D ready DLPs, plasmas and 120 hz LCD monitors on the market

National Geographic - has made dozens of 3D movies for Imax which are just itching to be brought to a home screen

Texas instruments - designed a DLP chip for TVs and projectors allowed for checkerbox 3D as of 2007, and it works a hell of a lot better than than 120 hz LCD monitors available right now.

ok sony may not be the leader in 3D and at present PS3 is not 3D capable as you said, a future PS3 hardware revision (not now in Q3-Q4 ish 2011 , when PS3 H/W had been porifitable for Sony )can achive this I believe??

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Netyaroze on 06 January 2010

^ Thanks for the informations its hard to pick out the right stuff if you dont have a clue.

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RVDondaPC on 07 January 2010

disolitude said:

RVDondaPC said:
Finally? Uh they aren't announcing Sony finally getting involved in 3D. They are just announcing a new joint venture that Sony is a part of. BTW Sony is the only company that is involved in all aspects of the 3D bandwagon, which is manufacturing the hardware, producing the content, and providing the content. So to say THEY are the company that needs some serious work to be an industry leader is a little ignorant as they are one of, if not, the company that is putting the most eggs inside the 3D basket and has been doing so for some time now.

What are you talking about? Sony doesn't have a single 3D ready TV on the market. Nor have they published a single piece of software in 3D,

What content?

Sony has released ONE 3D movie in theaters...Polar Express. Other studios have 4-5 movies released in 3D.

The TV channel is everyone here is talking about is a Sony/Imax venture...called Discovery 3D, which is great...however I am willing to bet the content will not have anything to do with sony. Also, ESPN is delivering 3D sports channel summer 2010. We still don't have a release date for the sony Imax venture.

Sony is going to announce a 3D Tv at CES...you know it, I know it. and they will be 3 years late to the party.

Also its going to be hillarious seeing the playstation fans stand up and pretend sony is leading the industry when they announce that PS3 can play 3d blurays.

EDIT - As things stand now, 3D industry leaders are:

Nvidia - they've been making 3D game drivers since 1990s

Samsung - first 3D ready DLPs, plasmas and 120 hz LCD monitors on the market

National Geographic - has made dozens of 3D movies for Imax which are just itching to be brought to a home screen

Texas instruments - designed a DLP chip for TVs and projectors allowed for checkerbox 3D as of 2007, and it works a hell of a lot better than than 120 hz LCD monitors available right now.

Did I say Sony was the first? No, I said they are the only company that is involved in all three areas of 3D; manufacturing, producing and providing content. Each company you listed is specialized in only one aspect. Just because they don't have a tv in the shlves of best buy yet doesn't mean they are not involved in manufacturing 3D TV's.

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Icyedge on 07 January 2010

disolitude said:

Icyedge said:

disolitude said:

BigBoobieHead said:
@ Kowen .....they would, but can the 360 do 3D atm? If not, wat im sayin is that i believe the sales boost the PS3 would get from being the only 3D games system would be bigger than the boost the 360 would get from Natal.

I feel like Im the 3D police on this forum...

1. There are many different types of 3D and neither PS3 or 360 can do the 120 hz field-sequential 3D. They can't output 120 hz refresh rate...CAN NOT!

2. Both support the 60 Hz checkerboard format that plasma and DLP TVs have been using for a few years now.

3. There are 3 games already available for all 3 systems. Avatar, Gforce and downloadable game. These games have native 3D support built in to the game using the checkerboard or anaglyph.

Sony is behind Mitsubishi and Samsung atleast 2 years in adopting 3D. Mitsubishi already has partnership with Nvidia and is oficially supported by the best 3D game drivers (Nvidia 3D vision) and samsung has plasmas that support 3D for sale.

Also, 3D TV has been announced by a lot of networks...ESPN being one of them. Their is supposed to start Summer 2010.

Im not raining on the Sony parade here...good for them for finallyg etting on the 3D bandwagon. But they have some serious work to do to be an industry leader at this point...

Its been at least 3 years they are working on 3D. They could have release their TV by 2008 if they would have wanted (ces 2008 they were already using their TVs to show 3D). They already stated that they are going to release everything at the same time, TV, camera, PS3 firmware update, a couple of games title that can be upgraded to 3D and some 3D movies. They also just finished taking regulation for 3D blue-ray. Finally we have a company that makes 3D simple. Which is a great thing because more people will get in it so there will be more developement on it. Sony are the first one that really push 3D in fixing the current problem behind it, frankly it is worth 2-3 more years of development.

Whoa...hold on. Lets not jump to conclusions here. We don't know what Sony will announce or bring out in 2010.

If sony brings out magic beans and says "plant these and you will get 3D" then hats off to them. But people are just hyping the smallest things Sony is announcing some of which wont see the light of day for 2-3 years if the materialize at all. Being familiar with workings of 3D, I know that there isn't a cheap, simple solution...no matter how much sony wants to work on it.

Sony has the tendancy to do this...remember when Microsoft was bringing out Xbox live and sony announced how they ar partnering with AOL/Time Warrner to bring out online network for PS2 which will be superior to everything. Well here we ae 7 years later and Xbox Live is still seen as the network to beat.

Don't get me wrong...I am glad Sony is finally stepping up. But they should have done this years ago. If they announced 3D TVs along with Samsung and Mitsubishi in 2008, we'd already be watching Bewolf and Final Destnation 3D in 3D in our homes... Problem is that Sony dumped plasma and DLP a while ago, and LCD TVs could not do this in 2008 under a 5000 dollar price tag. So 3D was "not importnt" back then to them...

I was simply stating what they already told to last CES. While I agree that sometime those type of statement is not a fact or image of reality, its still the best information we have on what they want to do with 3D. It seems to me that they have waited all this time to push everything at the same time.