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jammy2211 on 09 January 2010
pariz said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Metallicube said:

Funny how everyone forgets to mention this game whenever talking about the lack of sales for M rated games on the Wii, pointing to Dead Space Extraction or Madworld instead. M rated Wii games can sell if they are not niche and have a good deal of content. This game is an example of that.

They also forget Resident Evil 4 unless they exclude ports just to reduce the number.

But it's true. Those games would not have sold well on the HD systems, so acting as though the Wii made them not sell is just BS made up to make the Wii look bad.

Let alone the M rated games.

- The Force Unleashed sell better on Wii than in PS3.

- Guitar Hero 3, 4, 5, Aerosmith, Smash Hits, Van Halen  sold more in Wii than in the HD Consoles. Only the XBOX 360 version of Metallica outsold the Wii version so far and only by 1K.

- With Rock Band entries happens something only a bit different. The Wii versions always outsell the PS3 version and when it comes to Rock Band: Beatles, it even outsells 360.

- Ghostbusters sells 0.52m in PS3, 0.44m in 360 and 0.33m in Wii. Though is the third one on this dispute, I guess it still sold quite well.

- Shaun White only got a sequel on Wii. And before that sold the double than in 360 and more than the triple than in PS3.

- Lego Batman, Star Wars and Indiana Jones all did better on Wii than in the HD consoles.

- Sonic Unleashed did better on Wii. I wonder what will happen with the All Stars Racing.

- Tiger Woods PGA sells better on Wii (Well implemented and intuitive motion controls).

- I wonder how Mega Man 9 did on the three consoles.

You might argue if these are core games at all, you might even say that all of them but TFU are casual games (are they? really?), but what I intend to point out is that when games are properly developt they sell pretty well on Wii, in many cases even better than in the HD consoles.

 I think the more evident trend there is that any well known brand name or franchise that has an appeal beyond just video games (i.e. Star Wars, Resident Evil, Ghosatbusters, Tiger Woods, Sonic) will have a better time on Wii. The Wii audience is drawan stcn towards well known franchises and brand names rather then 'The Conduit' (As a completely random example of something most people don't know what is).

 In my opinion Call of Duty has now become a brand name 'larger' then just gaming - and is something people who haven't played games before can still probably tell you what is, just like the names Mario, Halo, Grand Theft Auto etc. That's why it's selling in my opinion. It's not so much about whether it's a core game or whatever, just the Wii audience will gravitate towards recogniseable brand names or well marketed games.



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Arius Dion on 09 January 2010
jammy2211 said:
pariz said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Metallicube said:

Funny how everyone forgets to mention this game whenever talking about the lack of sales for M rated games on the Wii, pointing to Dead Space Extraction or Madworld instead. M rated Wii games can sell if they are not niche and have a good deal of content. This game is an example of that.

They also forget Resident Evil 4 unless they exclude ports just to reduce the number.

But it's true. Those games would not have sold well on the HD systems, so acting as though the Wii made them not sell is just BS made up to make the Wii look bad.

Let alone the M rated games.

- The Force Unleashed sell better on Wii than in PS3.

- Guitar Hero 3, 4, 5, Aerosmith, Smash Hits, Van Halen  sold more in Wii than in the HD Consoles. Only the XBOX 360 version of Metallica outsold the Wii version so far and only by 1K.

- With Rock Band entries happens something only a bit different. The Wii versions always outsell the PS3 version and when it comes to Rock Band: Beatles, it even outsells 360.

- Ghostbusters sells 0.52m in PS3, 0.44m in 360 and 0.33m in Wii. Though is the third one on this dispute, I guess it still sold quite well.

- Shaun White only got a sequel on Wii. And before that sold the double than in 360 and more than the triple than in PS3.

- Lego Batman, Star Wars and Indiana Jones all did better on Wii than in the HD consoles.

- Sonic Unleashed did better on Wii. I wonder what will happen with the All Stars Racing.

- Tiger Woods PGA sells better on Wii (Well implemented and intuitive motion controls).

- I wonder how Mega Man 9 did on the three consoles.

You might argue if these are core games at all, you might even say that all of them but TFU are casual games (are they? really?), but what I intend to point out is that when games are properly developt they sell pretty well on Wii, in many cases even better than in the HD consoles.

 I think the more evident trend there is that any well known brand name or franchise that has an appeal beyond just video games (i.e. Star Wars, Resident Evil, Ghosatbusters, Tiger Woods, Sonic) will have a better time on Wii. The Wii audience is drawan stcn towards well known franchises and brand names rather then 'The Conduit' (As a completely random example of something most people don't know what is).

 In my opinion Call of Duty has now become a brand name 'larger' then just gaming - and is something people who haven't played games before can still probably tell you what is, just like the names Mario, Halo, Grand Theft Auto etc. That's why it's selling in my opinion. It's not so much about whether it's a core game or whatever, just the Wii audience will gravitate towards recogniseable brand names or well marketed games.

How is this any different than the audience on competing platforms?



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theprof00 on 09 January 2010
intro94 said:
nordlead said:
kitler53 said:
Procrastinato said:
Its scaled with the increase in Wii numbers then, or has it remained on par with the old WaW attach?

despite the wii's larger install base modern reflex is tracking under world at war.

http://www.vgchartz.com/swlaunch.php?reg1=All&game1=Call+of+Duty%3A+World+at+War+-+Wii[23991]&reg2=All&game2=Call+of+Duty%3A+Modern+Warfare%3A+Reflex+-+Wii[39017]&reg3=All&game3=&weeks=50

edit: for reference WaW is at 1.39M now.

yes, but remember that WaW was released on the same day, while reflex was released 2 years later

and thats why its so remarkable.

Wholely unremarkable.

Wii sold about 10M in the last 10 weeks.

Wii has about 30 M more users now than it did when WaW came out.

 

However, if you compare the games on a weekly basis over on the charts, Reflex has  a higher "highest selling week" than WaW does, so it could end up selling more.



jammy2211 on 09 January 2010
Arius Dion said:
jammy2211 said:
pariz said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
Metallicube said:

Funny how everyone forgets to mention this game whenever talking about the lack of sales for M rated games on the Wii, pointing to Dead Space Extraction or Madworld instead. M rated Wii games can sell if they are not niche and have a good deal of content. This game is an example of that.

They also forget Resident Evil 4 unless they exclude ports just to reduce the number.

But it's true. Those games would not have sold well on the HD systems, so acting as though the Wii made them not sell is just BS made up to make the Wii look bad.

Let alone the M rated games.

- The Force Unleashed sell better on Wii than in PS3.

- Guitar Hero 3, 4, 5, Aerosmith, Smash Hits, Van Halen  sold more in Wii than in the HD Consoles. Only the XBOX 360 version of Metallica outsold the Wii version so far and only by 1K.

- With Rock Band entries happens something only a bit different. The Wii versions always outsell the PS3 version and when it comes to Rock Band: Beatles, it even outsells 360.

- Ghostbusters sells 0.52m in PS3, 0.44m in 360 and 0.33m in Wii. Though is the third one on this dispute, I guess it still sold quite well.

- Shaun White only got a sequel on Wii. And before that sold the double than in 360 and more than the triple than in PS3.

- Lego Batman, Star Wars and Indiana Jones all did better on Wii than in the HD consoles.

- Sonic Unleashed did better on Wii. I wonder what will happen with the All Stars Racing.

- Tiger Woods PGA sells better on Wii (Well implemented and intuitive motion controls).

- I wonder how Mega Man 9 did on the three consoles.

You might argue if these are core games at all, you might even say that all of them but TFU are casual games (are they? really?), but what I intend to point out is that when games are properly developt they sell pretty well on Wii, in many cases even better than in the HD consoles.

 I think the more evident trend there is that any well known brand name or franchise that has an appeal beyond just video games (i.e. Star Wars, Resident Evil, Ghosatbusters, Tiger Woods, Sonic) will have a better time on Wii. The Wii audience is drawan stcn towards well known franchises and brand names rather then 'The Conduit' (As a completely random example of something most people don't know what is). 

 In my opinion Call of Duty has now become a brand name 'larger' then just gaming - and is something people who haven't played games before can still probably tell you what is, just like the names Mario, Halo, Grand Theft Auto etc. That's why it's selling in my opinion. It's not so much about whether it's a core game or whatever, just the Wii audience will gravitate towards recogniseable brand names or well marketed games.

How is this any different than the audience on competing platforms?

It's not for the most part, but the trend seems ways more evident. While other platforms have the space for a new IP to have success, like Demons Souls or Assassin's Creed or Army of Two, it feels like Wii games rely on that well known brand more so. It could be that no ones really marketing a new IP on the Wii with as much aggression, but the charts don't really lie.

 I mean outside the well known Nintendo names, you've got Call of Duty, Cabelas Hunter, The Beatles, Hasbro, Disney, NERF and Toy Story as the big sellers for the Christmas week on Wii. 



Ail on 09 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
"That's like saying no Xbox360 user knows Final Fantasy because that Franchise has never been released on a Microsoft console before......."

But there was a CoD game on the Wii before, which was the disappointing 3, which MW did a big thing counteracting on the HD systems.

Cod3 wasn't the last CoD on the Wii, the last one was WaW..

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

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LordTheNightKnight on 09 January 2010

"Cod3 wasn't the last CoD on the Wii, the last one was WaW.."

I meant before WaW, just that the context wasn't entirely clear about that. While WaW was hot from MW on the HD systems, the Wii had a two year gap between CoD games, with 3 being the last, and didn't even have local multiplayer (something that even MWR doesn't have, and that CoD7 really should include), which has been shown to be a major selling point on the Wii and HD systems (Killzone 2 didn't have it, and look at what happened there).



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Ail on 10 January 2010
LordTheNightKnight said:
"Cod3 wasn't the last CoD on the Wii, the last one was WaW.."

I meant before WaW, just that the context wasn't entirely clear about that. While WaW was hot from MW on the HD systems, the Wii had a two year gap between CoD games, with 3 being the last, and didn't even have local multiplayer (something that even MWR doesn't have, and that CoD7 really should include), which has been shown to be a major selling point on the Wii and HD systems (Killzone 2 didn't have it, and look at what happened there).

I'm ranked 4 millionth online  after playing 6h online of MW2 out of 5.4 millions PS3 users  that purchased MW2 so far.

So 80% of the ppls that purchased MW2 on the PS3 have spent more than 6 hours online ( that was 1 week ago I didn't play MW2 online the last week).

Local MP isn't as hot as you make it sound on HD consoles...

 



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

bazmeistergen on 10 January 2010

That shows the popularity of online, but does nothing to dismiss the power of local.



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Reasonable on 10 January 2010

I think the consoles have very different demographics and that's that. A CoD title on Wii can be profitable, no doubt about it, but the market for it is a fraction of that on PS3/360. The ratio between Wii owners wanting a CoD game and PS3/360 owners wanting a CoD game is huge.

On the flip side, look at the demand on the Wii for titles like Wii Sports, Mario, etc. and compare that to say Banjo on 360 or Ratchet and Clank on PS3.

The bottom line is that if you really had to chose where to invest, for a title like CoD it wouldn't be the Wii. This doesn't make the Wii doomed, but it does explain certain opinions and views of developers and analysts.

In reality, if it's profitable to add another 1.5 M units of a franchise on Wii to sales of over 10M on PS3/360 then hopefully developers will say why not and make such games available to those who would clearly like to receive them, but in terms of general analysis the much smaller Wii sales are going to be judged somewhat harshly (arguably incorrectly as this simplifies the demographic position).



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pariz on 10 January 2010
Reasonable said:
I think the consoles have very different demographics and that's that. A CoD title on Wii can be profitable, no doubt about it, but the market for it is a fraction of that on PS3/360. The ratio between Wii owners wanting a CoD game and PS3/360 owners wanting a CoD game is huge.

On the flip side, look at the demand on the Wii for titles like Wii Sports, Mario, etc. and compare that to say Banjo on 360 or Ratchet and Clank on PS3.

The bottom line is that if you really had to chose where to invest, for a title like CoD it wouldn't be the Wii. This doesn't make the Wii doomed, but it does explain certain opinions and views of developers and analysts.

In reality, if it's profitable to add another 1.5 M units of a franchise on Wii to sales of over 10M on PS3/360 then hopefully developers will say why not and make such games available to those who would clearly like to receive them, but in terms of general analysis the much smaller Wii sales are going to be judged somewhat harshly (arguably incorrectly as this simplifies the demographic position).

Quite reasonable.

Either way, that doesn't mean that the core market did shift. The public, even those as myself who don't own a Wii as an only console, is eager to see quality core games for the Nintendo home console.



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