Short summary: our new onrails shooter isn't selling as much as our previous onrails shooter, so now we're shifting our focus, even more so than before, to PS360.
Well whadda ya know about that!
Davey1983 said:
I disagree with this. I don't buy the idea that so- called 'core' gamers have left the Wii audience. Name one third party 'core' (I hate that term, by the way) title that was released only on the Wii that would have sold well on the HD twins. I can't think of one either.
This is the old blame the audience tatic (and usually done by companies before they go out of business). If third parties would release good games on the Wii they will sell. Resident Evil 4, despite being a port of an old game, sold over a million copies. What I find interesting is that on-rail shooters are now considered 'core' titles. Really? Port over Resident Evil 5 with RE4 controls and I would bet that the game would get over a million sales easily. Want Dead Space to sell on the Wii? Create an actual third person shooter, remove the ridiculous amount of cut scenes, and it would have gotten many more sales (sorry, nobody bought the 'directed first person experience' lie EA tried shoveling). Nintendo has released some so-called core games, and all of them have done well (not system mover well, but well enough that sequels are coming or being talked about). Punch-Out is nearing 1 million, Metroid Prime 3 sold a million, Galaxy has sold 8 million. Let's look at other good 'core' games that have released on the Wii: COD:WaW has sold over a million, and COD:MWR is on track to sell a million. Sorry, but this idea that the Wii is 'only for families', and that 'core gamers have moved onto the HD twins' is complete BS that third parties have come up with to not take the Wii seriously (why when Resident Evil 4 and RE:DC both sold over a million that only more Rail shooters were made?-- Why didn't some third party also make more third person shooters? It is because third parties do not want to take the Wii seriously. It has nothing to do with 'the audience'-- the audience has already shown that they want games like Resident Evil 4!). If Red Steel 2 and MH3 both end up being good titles, and they bomb on the Wii, then I might start to believe this argument. |
There is a core market on Wii. It's referred to as the 'after market'. The people who buy the games only after they have dropped in price because they're not serious enough to sit down and play out the whole game but they might have fun with it for a while so it's a good value for them at $20 but not at $60. Also multi console owners but I already touched on that.
CoD is a pathetic example. I'm sorry. Saying the biggest name in gaming, with ZERO competition in it's field can sell a measly 1m units in a years time on a system with a base practically the size of 360's and PS3's COMBINED is not defending the Wii. It's cursing it! By that standard the only other game that could hope to break a million would be Grand Thief Auto. If CoD which will sell 10m on 360 and 6-7m on PS3 can only break 1 on Wii (even with simultaneous release and TV ads like WaW) then how can a game like RE5 which only sells about 5m on 360 hope to do more than 500k on Wii??
Wii succeeds in other areas though and massive success not possible on HD consoles are possible on Wii. Wii has more million sellers than the competition but with games like DDR, Hanna Motana, Lego, Ben Ten, Sonic, SW Clone Wars, fitness titles etc. which would never succeed on the HD consoles (at least not sell millions).
There is money to be made on Wii. TONS. But not with the old manner of thinking. Wii has a huge female base and even to this day, not one single 3rd party has figured out how to sell them what they want or even what they want. Wii has a ton of old school / PC gamers which again is underserved. HoTD:O was a good idea but making it so potty mouthed no guy can play it around their wife or kids was just dumb and another example that 3rd parties are out of touch with the Wii market.
| Raze said: Its called oversaturation. There are only so many on-rails games that people want. Between, HOTD 2/3, RE:UC, HOTD Overkill, MOH2 (had an on rails mode) and Dead Space Extraction, Wii owners likely have had their fill. Maybe it shoots a message to capcom to deliver a proper RE game to the Wii fans. After all, RE4 was really good. Its much harder to milk a genre like on-rails shooters. Much easier to milk action adventure games. |
Don't forget the only two that I own, Ghost Squad and Link's Crossbow Training. I rented three others also. Even Wii Play has a shooter mini-game. Heck, Wii Fit does too.
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Super-saturation of a genre that isn't popular.
| Jumpin said: VGchartz has it at 260,000?! |
Yes and Capcom likely made millions off the game.
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Hisiru said:
Because The Conduit isn't good. It was hyped? On the internet and some forums? So... we had like 500 people making hype for this game, this will help a lot in the sales, right? Even Haze has more quality than The Conduit. Wii owners wants more quality and that's why they are buying MW:Reflex (which you aren't mentioning) and not The Conduit. What shocks me is that MW:R is a port of a 2 years old game and doesn't have advertising but it's selling and you won't talk about that, all you want to see is the bad side (using a bad game as example). |
If they want quality, then why are they buying a bad port of a 2007 shooter? Let's be honest, it's still not as good of a port as it should have been, its quality is on par with The Conduit. The difference between the two titles is that one had hype while the other had anti-hype, so one ended up being a big disappointment (and resentment build) while the other ended up far exceeding such low expectations.
Reflex is only selling well due to its brand name, and the fact the system is still deprived of a quality FPS game. Nintendo needs to just make a blue ocean shooter themselves, the 3rd parties aren't going to do it.
Hopefully this means the Chronicle-game that covers RE4 and 5 is cancelled now
The whole time I semi-followed this game, I got the impression there was absoultely nothing about it that looked better then the first RE on-rails thing. I think that was the problem.
It is kind of worrying for a RE game to be selling iffy on the Wii though, as that's been one of the strongest third party franchises.
It's sales really have been poor though, especially in Europe according to VGC. Can hardly expect it to sell when House of Dead costs less.
kitler53 said:
i lol in your direction for useing call of duty as an example of there being a core audience on the wii. call of duty will sell more software in 1 hour only on the 360 only in america then it will it will sell in it's entire lifetime on the wii. if anything it proves that the audience for a game like MW is on the HD consoles and not on the wii. oh sure, there are a few people that will buy it and i don't doubt they made there money back but that's not going to go far to move developers from the HD twins to the wii. |
Innervate said:
If they want quality, then why are they buying a bad port of a 2007 shooter? Let's be honest, it's still not as good of a port as it should have been, its quality is on par with The Conduit. The difference between the two titles is that one had hype while the other had anti-hype, so one ended up being a big disappointment (and resentment build) while the other ended up far exceeding such low expectations. Reflex is only selling well due to its brand name, and the fact the system is still deprived of a quality FPS game. Nintendo needs to just make a blue ocean shooter themselves, the 3rd parties aren't going to do it. |
Bad port? On par with The Conduit? Did you really played this game or you watched videos on the youtube? Reflex is a great port and the only difference is the HD graphics that the Wii can't reproduce but still, the campaign, the action and all the important stuff is there. Sorry but I refuse to believe that you played MW on the Wii. I played it on the PC, xbox360 and Wii, everything is there except for the HD graphics. Actually the gameplay makes this game more enjoyable on the Wii (for some people).
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