In 2000-2001 everyone was under the impression that PS2 sales will suck, that xbox and Nintendo will win the generation.

Example:

Don't buy that PlayStation

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

I am not saying that the PS3 will end like the PS2 did I am just saying that I hear a lot of the same stuff like last generation and PS2 had a concurrent SEGA Dreamcast.

Edit: and it annoys me that people forget the DC. It is the perfect example of a console with fucking bad sales but with good games that lot of DC owners never will forgot.

First of all, after a year of sales both the PS1 and PS2 looked fantastic.  Their pre-launch hype, at that point, was irrelevant.  Just like the PS3's pre-launch hype is irrelevant now.

Secondly, the general public perception when the PS2 was released was that the PS2 was the way to go.  More hardcore and well informed gamers may have been interested in the Xbox because it was (1) new and (2) technologically superior, but the PS2 had far more interest among the general population.

Finally, third party support for the PS2 a year into its life cycle was great and improving, not weaker and decreasing like it is with the PS3.  There was clearly an up-and-coming vibe with the PS2 a year in, developers were excited about the userbase, etc.  With the PS3, developers are complaining about the userbase.

Looking at the PS3 all by itself paints a pretty damning picture, but if you look at the PS3 relative to its current competition: the Wii and the Xbox 360, things are even worse.  The PS2 took the lead from the dreamcast quickly and never looked back.  Sales dominated the Xbox and gamecube very quickly.  This time around, things are very much the opposite -- the PS3 is selling very slowly, even after multiple price cuts and bundles within the first year.  It's top end games this holiday season (R&C, Heavenly Sword, Lair) can have their sales combined and still end up with poor numbers for a single game.

Its competition, on the other hand, is doing much better than ever before.  The Xbox 360 has more third party support than Microsoft has ever enjoyed before and it sells very well during the holiday season and with big releases.  Games sell very well.  The Wii is still selling out all over America despite pushing what looks to be well over 500k in a 4 week period.  Games are selling all right, but the big news is that third parties are all over the Wii including moving large online-based projects like Monster Hunter 3 from the PS3 to the Wii.  Financially, the Wii is far easier to profit on than the PS3, even for high end games.

You can cherry pick one factoid or another, but the bottom line is that the PS3 is doing terrible.  And to kick Sony while their down, HD-DVD has become extremely aggressive and is now selling tons of units in the US to go with good sales in Europe.

Did I say the PS3 is doing good?

 I think he was meaning year sales to year sales WW. The PS3 will top the 360's first year sales there is no question on that. 2007 vs 2007 idk.. will be close. 

What hatred. Nintendo fans had to deal with stuff like this for 7 years.

There's no way Sony will get over their problems. They will lose this holiday by a wide margin.

1. It looks like 360 beat PS3 on their homesoil for the first time this week. (Famitsu)

2. 360 and PS3 are almost equal in European countries, America belongs to 360. I won't even mention Wii since it beats everything.

2. Metal Gear Solid is delayed. This means that when the most important game of 2008, GTAIV, arrives there will be not a single game available for PS3 that can be considered a great game for the audience of GTA (R&C can be a good game, but won't appeal to the general GTAIV public). 360 has tons of those. Lots of people will make the switch from PS2 to the current-gen whith GTAIV. This is a huge audience that will have to choose 360 or PS3.

Most of these will, IMO, choose 360. It's cheaper, GTAIV more content and games with lots of hype like Halo3, BioShock and Gears of War, that perfectly suit the GTAIV audience, are available.

Sony fans will have to accept that PS3 will probably do sub-GC numbers this gen while they had all the aces in their hands.

EDIT: I'm more then willing to bet that the 360 GTAIV will not only beat PS3's version in numbers but also in attach rate.

you do know that nintendo fans had to deal with it because Nintendo pissed off most 3rd party devs right..  

Did he say you did?

Seriously, you present some points, he presents some counter points.  Don't start getting defensive.

 He said this:

You can cherry pick one factoid or another, but the bottom line is that the PS3 is doing terrible. And to kick Sony while their down, HD-DVD has become extremely aggressive and is now selling tons of units in the US to go with good sales in Europe.



I didn't denie that.

Why must everyone hate Sony so much by posting truths?

Show everyone that you love Sony by making up shit.