the wii has this gen in the bag. ps3 and 360 fanboys know this but to make themselves feel better they shroud their minds with the illusion that the wii doesnt exist so they can feel like the console their suppporting is ahead when in reality its not. Also what is casual and hardcore anyway? whatever happened to games being games? i remember when mario was just mario now hes "casual" because not all of his games are blood n guts, sex and rock n roll. That stuff is fun and all but its not necessary to make a game great. Legendary is more violent than mario galaxy but im still gonna perfer galaxy over legendary due to the fact that galaxy is a great game with amazing gameplay while legendary is just a generic shooter.

I do disscuss Wii games all the times.

I know you do. The OP was about gaming enthusiasts in general.

Fortunately, you are right. That proves that great games do not necesarily equal big budgets.

I was just talking about prejudices.

What in the hell does that mean? So...the Wii is not a console anymore?

We can't discount that it's Nintendo, too. I think there are some fragments of the enthusiast market that just want Nintendo themselves to go away, or at least go 3rd party. Attitudes towards Wii from the press and their followers feel very similar to attitudes towards GameCube, just with a few words changed around ("kiddy" to "gimmick" and so forth).

The only thing GameCube had going for it in terms of internet hype was that it was underground, to a certain extent. It was niche, which made it kinda cool, whereas Nintendo is trying to make Wii as mainstream as possible, so Nintendo lost that last vestige of coolness that they once had

Not speaking from my opinion of course, i'm just trying to divine what the people are thinking.

Agreed. And the VAST majority of people who stink up the Nintendo forum are Sony boys. Don't you guys have your own forum to hang out in?!?!

With rare exception, 360+PS3 sales of a game exceed the sales of a Wii-only game.  Because of this, it is seen as a better business decision to develop a PC/PS3/360 title (or PS3/360 title alone) than one that also includes the Wii.  Game developing on the Wii is fundamentally different, and the Wii is able to do less than the high def platforms.  I would say this is a large reason why the Wii has been ignored, unless the console makers are going exclusive.

Like some of you elaborated, there's a variety of reasons for the shunning of the Wii, from the ridiculous, to the relevant.

For me, it's because it has last-gen graphics, and very few games that interest me - all the wii sports, resort, party babiez, whatever, is pointless - as in, I have zero interest in that stuff. I grew up, thus I couldn't care less about Mario, specially if it's a kart game, sports game, washing-your-teeth-with-Mario game, i've always found Zelda completely overrated, and the third parties, for the most part, are crap on the Wii.

That leaves Metroid Prime 3, No More Heroes and Madworld as the only Wii games that interest me. One of those is coming to 360/PS3 with much better graphics (NMH) now, and i'm not gonna buy a console for just 2 games.

"With rare exception, 360+PS3 sales of a game exceed the sales of a Wii-only game."

The problem is most of the Wii only games wouldn't have sold any better if they were otherwise the same but on the HD consoles.

I still bring up Monster Hunter 3 because it was the same circumstances as the best selling HD games, and in Japan, it's the bestselling third party game for all the home systems. They did it right, and it worked.

Most of the games that don't work on the Wii aren't done right. They aren't even the kind of game that sells on the HD systems.

So developers aren't selling their hit games on the Wii because for the most part they aren't making their hit games for the Wii.