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LordTheNightKnight on 08 November 2007
FreeTalkLive rocks! said:
A couples things.

Selling more than the Sega Genesis does not mean a system is a blockbuster, whatever that means.

Sony did well be making the PSP. Anyway you figure, it has to be considered a success.

Saying DS games are like GBA games and PSP games are like PS2 games is silly. One of the 1st games on the DS was Super Mario 64 DS. Could this game have even been made on a PS1? What about Zelda PH?

DS seems to focus on the casual, hardcore, and kiddie crowds. PSP seems to focus on the hardcore and media crowds. There is no way PSP will ever be able to best DS when DS has more hardcore games than the PSP.

Blockbuster originally meant people lining around the block. But nowadays, the term is applied to any movie, game, or game system that does really well. The Genesis sold 35 million, and is considered to have done really well. So if another system sells more, it would have done really well. Some may think the time difference changes the number, but it doesn't work that way. The NES, Genesis, and SNES may be way outsold by the PS1 and PS2, but that doen't downgrade their accepted status as blockbusters.

And price doesn't count either, since units sold is more like movie tickets sold, or song copies sold, not revenue, which is changed by inflation. 



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naznatips on 08 November 2007
ChronotriggerJM said:
Now I just feel like an ass :P I NEVER bought my PSP for gaming xD I despise hand-held gaming, I bought it because it had a bigger screen than the DS, Played music, movies, internet browser from the get-go, I know the real money is made in the games, and I have purchased a few, and to be honest, I've been buying the PS1 titles that I can't get a hold of nowadays :P FF 1 and 2 were awesome, as were Tactics, Valkyrie profile etc etc.

I'd say Nintendo's major lead on the DS is that it ONLY caters to gamers, I honestly can't imagine anyone buying it for any other purpose, whereas the PSP caters to the Media types, does anyone know how much they make off selling a single PSP?

That's exactly what happens.  People buy their PSP and use it to watch their movies and listen to their music and rarely if ever buy a game for it.  I've only bought 8 games for mine myself.  That's not much for me.  I've bought 30 DS games.  Of course, my PSP is just as awesome as my DS because I can use my PSP game as an emulator for all my old PSX and earlier games. Having a portable emulator is awesome. I don't pirate games, and I only emulate games I already own, but I love the option.  I just recently replayed FFIX (one of the best RPGs ever) on my PSP.  



greg on 09 November 2007
kirby007 said:
greg said:
naznatips said:
Gazz said:
AM I the only one that thinks the PSP and DS both service a different crowd? ( a small percentage of hardcore gamers aside that is) In my book the DS always seemed the more casual handheld and the PSP the more "serious" one.

Comparing sales between those 2 always seems so irrelevant to me.

As someone who has both, I can say with certainty that you are completely incorrect. The 3rd party support on the DS means it gets many more 3rd party core games than the PSP does and of many mroe genres. You don't think Sony wants Contra, Dragon Quest, tons of new Square games, Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed, etc. on the PSP? Of course they do, and those are "serious" games as you call them. They absolutely compete directly for the same gamers, and the DS absolutely has more of them, and because of that gets more big games.


Their games are completely different though, psp games are similar to PS2 games and they take longer to make than DS games that are similar to GBA games(with a touch screen and slightly better graphics), so it's obvious that DS gets more games, but PSP games take much longer to complete, and have much more depth, as I said before, it's like comparing a PS2 game to a GBA game, monster hunter portable takes longer time to complete than 10(if not more) of the longest DS games put together, and yes I own both handhelds.


really??? one game of ds is minimal 4 times as long as the monster hunters : PO-KE-MON


 Lol, I doubt that.



hunter_alien on 09 November 2007
naznatips said:
Gazz said:
naznatips said:
Gazz said:
AM I the only one that thinks the PSP and DS both service a different crowd? ( a small percentage of hardcore gamers aside that is) In my book the DS always seemed the more casual handheld and the PSP the more "serious" one.

Comparing sales between those 2 always seems so irrelevant to me.

As someone who has both, I can say with certainty that you are completely incorrect. The 3rd party support on the DS means it gets many more 3rd party core games than the PSP does and of many mroe genres. You don't think Sony wants Contra, Dragon Quest, tons of new Square games, Call of Duty 4, Assassin's Creed, etc. on the PSP? Of course they do, and those are "serious" games as you call them. They absolutely compete directly for the same gamers, and the DS absolutely has more of them, and because of that gets more big games.


The PSP has a list of games that other companys would like too. There's an call of duty on the PSP, they have their Jax, tons of racing games, strategy and a load more of games like God of war which tons of companys would kill for. I am not denying the DS doesn't have enough games or any fanboy crap like that.

I have both the PSP and DS too, I just really think the DS adresses a completely different market then the PSP does and these handhelds don't compete with eachother, but complete one another. Both have their pros and cons and having both gives a gamer the best of two worlds. I still believe that comparing sales is irrelevant.


You are very misinformed. Monster Hunter Freedom was released in February of 2006. Monster Hunter Freedom 2nd was released in May of 2007. Assuming development began a couple months before the release date of MHF, MHF2 had a 1.5 year turn around. Dragon Quest IX was announced 2 and a half years ago on the DS, and has a 2008 release date. It's going to have a 3 year turn around.

Comparing sales (and games) between the DS and PSP is absolutely relevant. Just as it is to compare between the Wii and PS3. Also, calling it the same as comparing the GBA to the PS2 is ridiculous and ignorant. Dragon Quest VIII was a PS2 game and by all accounts Dragon Quest IX is even longer and deeper with online co-op. It completely blows Monster Hunter away in series popularity in the "serious" market, and the only hardcore RPG more popular than Dragon Quest in Japan is Pokemon, which is of course also on the DS.

The DS is not just beating up the PSP in hardware sales. It's obliterating it in Software sales. Core games are selling signifficantly better on the DS than they do on the PSP, and it's clear that there are many more core gamers who own DSes from the software sales alone. Firmware doesn't make anywhere near the difference people think it makes. The PSP is simply being purchased by people who don't buy a single game for it.

I love my PSP, but there is a gigantic difference in 3rd party support for both core and casual games between the PSP and DS. It's comparable to the difference in 3rd party support from the PS2 to the Gamecube, but the roles are reversed. Their markets are the same. The difference is the DS has a second market (casual) along with its core market. It outsells the PSP on both types of games though, so that's really irrelevant. Saying you can't compare the two is like saying you can't compare the Wii and PS3. Of course they compete with each other. That's ridiculous.


 Ummm , lets see the slae of Madden , NFS and FIFA ... oh and what about PES ... they all are core games , and they all selll batter on the PSP ... on the other hand I do agree with your comparison in software with the GC and PS2 ... there is a similarity amongst them , just that the PSP will sell more just because of numbers ...



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zackblue on 09 November 2007

@soriku

WTF are you smoking? Nintendo always release handhelds about 2 years. DS in 04 DS lite in 06. IN 08 there will be a new handheld, redisigned or not. Nintendo usually release The next system every 4 years. GB 1996, GBA 2000, DS 2004. Expect maybe 08 or 09 new DS or something else. Dont know where da heck did you get that nintendo's strategy B$.

The psp is upgradeble, there is no reason to release another one. Come on its basicly more advanced than the ps2.



 

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