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What place will the ps3 end up in at the end of this Gen?

1st 91 12.30%
 
2nd 464 62.70%
 
3rd 185 25.00%
 
Total:740
jesus kung fu magic on 02 January 2010
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
tyig said:

GoW is a huge brand I think it's bigger than Gears of War, just wait and see.

I'd say they're about even, if we're talking quality. Obviously, sales will favor Gears, unless God of War III does 5-6mill, which is unlikely.

Quality is subjective........how big a brand is is strictly how much it sells.

You're preaching to the choir. Sales is another matter and I can see God of War being considered as big a brand as Gears. A topic for another thread though, IMO.

CGI......you disappoint me.....

Why so? No, God of War doesn't sell Gears like numbers, at least it hasn't to date. What God of War III does is anybody's guess. I just know it is one of the most anticipated games of 2010, as Gears of War III would be if it were announced for a release this year. Gears will probably always beat it in sales, but is it as bg a franchise as God of War? After all, Kratos is one of the most recognized faces in the industry.

That's why I say sales play a big part in popularity, that goes without saying. But I think God of War can compete with Gears on that level, despite the lower sales.

You said it yourself that you dont see GOW 3 passing 4 mil so let me ask you this.......why do you believe one game you dont see passing 4 mil have just as much brand recognition as a game that could easily pass 5 mil and even go up to 6 mil?

If there was a tier system for brands Gears would definitely be in the first tier with the likes of GT , Halo , GTA , MW , Mario and MGS while GOW would be in the second tier with Uncharted , Mass Effect , Fallout etc.

The fact of the matter is is that Gears is definitely a bigger brand than GOW and quite frankly I cant take someone seriously who believes otherwise.

Well, can't change how you feel. I just think God of War is a bigger brand than it receives credit for. When a game is considered THE most anticipated game of the year, so far, that's hardly something to scoff at. Everyone has their own opinion though, and in mine, I think God of War can hang with the likes of Gears. Is it bigger than Gears, no probably not. I consider them even, and if anything, feel that Kratos is a more known character than Marcus Fenix.

But as I said, my opinion and a topic for another thread.

I really dont know how to get through to you CGI but you right this isnt the thread for this discussion so ill leave you with this.....Gears 1 sold 6.00mil while GOW 1 sold 3.21 mil , both these games are the highest selling in their respective series' and Gears 1 almost has double the sales of GOW 1.

If a game doubles your sales you definitely dont have the same brand recognition as it.

 

Then tell me, how can people argue that Halo is a bigger franchise than Gran Turismo, when going by your metric, it is in fact not? How can people say that Dragon Quest is bigger than Final Fantasy?

Im not other people and I know what it takes to have a bigger brand and that is more sales....

Great, then therefore:

Gran Tursimo > Halo, Final Fantasy > Dragon Quest. IYO.

Argument over.

Funny thing is I do believe that....I really dont know what happened to you CGI...you used to be so sensible.



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jesus kung fu magic on 02 January 2010
CGI-Quality said:
^^ I'm not here to please anyone. I enjoy the site and have an opinion. Didn't realize I'd be lynched for it though.

Your bringing in GT>Halo (which I believe) and FF>DQ( which I also believe) when this is about Gears>GOW........and you tried to say it in a childish way that I believed otherwise.....it isnt MY metric that Sales= Brand recognition its a metric used in every industry not just the game industry if you cant understand that I dont know what else to say.

And just for the lols what are you going to say next? That how can people argue that Mac> Windows or Zune> Ipod....lol



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stephen700 on 03 January 2010

PS3 May eventually struggle into 2nd place in 2-3 years.
X360 doing awesome in the US and software sales too, PS3 coming in a respectable third place is ok.
PS3 and Xbox are doing pretty well considering they are essentially just HD versions of the Ps2 and XBox, the ps2 games play exactly the same as ps3 games only in lower resolution, even the controllers are identical, and other than a few asthetics these consoles are identical.

Wii continues to be the undisputed king - they are maintaining over 50% of console sales - the wii-mote, motion sensing controllers are pure genius and fun to use, untill sony or MS develop the better user interface technologies and market a next generation console and games to match the Wii's , nintendo basically have the next gen console market entirely to themselves.



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jesus kung fu magic on 03 January 2010
CGI-Quality said:
jesus kung fu magic said:
CGI-Quality said:
^^ I'm not here to please anyone. I enjoy the site and have an opinion. Didn't realize I'd be lynched for it though.

Your bringing in GT>Halo (which I believe) and FF>DQ( which I also believe) when this is about Gears>GOW........and you tried to say it in a childish way that I believed otherwise.....it isnt MY metric that Sales= Brand recognition its a metric used in every industry not just the game industry if you cant understand that I dont know what else to say.

And just for the lols what are you going to say next? That how can people argue that Mac> Windows or Zune> Ipod....lol

My Heavens, that's not what I said, or implied at all. I said that on many occasions, people believe a game that sells less can be as popular as games that sell more. I hope they receive this treatment from you, because at the end of the day, there will always be people who see things different form you. God, you would think that I tried to wipe Gears of War off the face of the planet. It really isn't that serious. And it's ironic that you call something childish, you're perpetuating an argument that's not only off-topic, but dead in the water.

To you, Gears > GOW. So be it, I won't lose sleep, don't think it's that big of a deal, and won't continue to perpetuate this. You'll probably post again, but you'll be ignored.

Good day.

You should have ignored my first post to tyig(again tyig not you) because its become apparent that you had no arguement to begin with.....



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jesus kung fu magic on 03 January 2010

lol....tell me about it....its like everybody does the exact same thing.

1. They try to make it seem like they have a valid arguement

2. You give solid facts and they refute it with opinion

3. Then when they cant handle the facts no more , they ignore you.

    I love VGC

 



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FinalEvangelion on 03 January 2010
CGI-Quality said:

The internet must be serious business to some. We REALLY need to prove someone wrong, who doesn't care either way. Oh well, not VG's fault.


Back on topic:

To the OP, several things would have to happen for PS3 to clear 2nd place: Natal would have to flop, Microsoft's next price drop can't have a significant impact, and the PS3 has to have some stellar system sellers in 2010. All of these are possible, I just don't think the former two are likely, though I don't think Natal will be HUGE either, but it won't flop.

 

This.  If the generation is defined as when the next system releases, I think this will be the case.

 

However, I do see Sony continuning to develop for the platform into the next cycle while MS may not be dropping on the fly, but they will probably try to expedite development for tne next console.  The only evidence is purely historical.

 

To lay my prediction down.  If generation is defined as total systems sold from launch to launch of next console, then MS will probably be in 2nd place.  If it's defined as total sales from launch to end of production, I see Sony taking 2nd.  no one but nintendo will get 1st.



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supercat on 03 January 2010

It's looking like the PS3 will be coming in 2nd place, unless MS decides to make a big price cut.



supercat on 03 January 2010
CGI-Quality said:
supercat said:
It's looking like the PS3 will be coming in 2nd place, unless MS decides to make a big price cut.

Well, that would mean dropping from 200 bucks to 100 in fell swoop. That's unprecedented, nut not impossible, especially if Microsoft continues to see that price is the MAIN factor when competing with Sony.

Realistically, it is, because if the PS3 had launched at $299, we wouldn't be discussing a 3rd place PlayStation at this point. One thing that will make or break Microsoft more than price at this point is Natal.

I think that a $150/ $250 360  could equalize things, saleswise.  MS has also said that they will be making some changes in 2010 with the pricing, but we'll see I guess.  I think that it's really interesting that the PS3 is finally giving the 360 a run for its money, finally making it make some tough choices with pricing and so forth.  Cheers.



RageBot on 03 January 2010

J-man, i'm sorry but you can't really just look at sales at this basic level to determine the size of a brand.

God of War came on a console after it's peak, while having much heavier competition and very high piracy levels.

Gears of War came on a infant console with little to no big titles, small level of piracy (considering the fact that piracy = ban from Xbox Live).

I'm not saying that God of War 3 is going to outsell Gears of War something, but it is a possibility, I personally can see GoW3 getting sales of as high as 5 million WW.

(Oh, and Gears is nowhere near the tier of games like Halo and GT)



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jarrod on 03 January 2010
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
XanderZane said:
Gearbox said:

I think it'll pull off 2nd, but i just wana c how many people still think it might come 3rd.

It won't be first, that's for sure. Even with the PS3 price cut the Wii is still outselling it almost 2:1. It'll never catch the Wii. It might catch the XBox 360, but it'll depend on how well people access the Natal and whatever new exclusives Microsoft releases. Halo: Reach is going to be huge. Another price drop (250GB XBox360 Slims at $200?) could send gamers into a frenzy for the console. I still don't think the PS3 will catch the XBox 360 before the next generation starts, which will probably be in 2012. Expect hints about new Wii's and XBox 360 systems at this years E3. I wouldn't be surprised if the next XBox already has Natal built in, as well as Blu-Ray or a superior media format. Sony did a good job finally getting the price lower and some awesome exclusive games. Their only downside was 1) the PS3 Slim is still losing money on every unit sold 2) The PSP Go is an utter failure. Sony sold a LOT of PS3, but unfortunately 2009 will show another $1 billion+ in loses. Good job Sony.

 

The PS3 wasn't the only console to receive a price cut in 2009. Was the Wii outselling the PS3 2:1 when the PS3's price was the only one to drop?

And tell me, what do Sony's losses have to do with the thread? He asked for a place in the race, why are financials relevant there?

Wii just got it's first price cut.  This isn't a tit for tat sort of interplay between Wii and PS3, Wii is absolutely dominating this gen. I mean, even GameCube managed to outsell PS2 briefly at one point.

And financials are always relevant.  This is business, and profit is just as reasonable a metric as any to use when determining a rank and order for these competitors.  It's also likely a good indicator of the future... knowing each company's financial outlook makes it easier to predict what sort of moves they'll make.

Each company's financials aren't always brought up. If it were evenly matched as such, nobody would say anything. And let's get real here, the Wii's numbers were tumbling before it's price cut. There's no doubt in my mind that the Wii would have remained ahead of the PS3 without it, it would have, it just wouldn't be 2:1.

Every company's financials probably should be.  For one, 360 actually making a return now is probably the chief reason we haven't seen Microsoft as aggressively match Sony's moves this fall.   Marketshare may be taking a backseat to profit.   Shocking, I know...

And getting real, everyone's numbers were tumbling this year before pricecuts.  I'm not really sure why you're putting so much emphasis on Wii's measly $50 drop, when it took a $100 drop, model revision and brand relaunch to get PS3 moving at all?  If anything, the Wii drop was long overdue.