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FootballFan said:

There are still more immigrants entering the country than leaving and the birth rate is still on the rise. I agree with you, a large amount of people make it there main aim to not find a job and the lack of employment is a good excuse. However, the government needs to take more responsibility and either reduce benefits or give people an incentive to GET a job.

This country has many factors completly wrong however, regardless of how the Muslims feel about Amercian or British foreign policy is gives them no rights to practise this hatred. I would also question why they are in this country in the first place if it is clear they show little regard for it.

Completely agree to all the bolded. A big problem (although not the main one) stems from the fact that when families come over here they all seemingly flock together (it's human nature to be fair to them, to be close to what you know) and hold strongly to their beliefs for fear of "losing" themselves. Over time there home countries beliefs may become more open and may have changed, but they retain the beliefs of 20-40 yrs ago which is then forced upon there kids. Not sure what the government can do about that particular scenario to be honest.

Another scenario is when the parents are actually quite Westernised in their thinking, but the children want to learn more about there culture. Fair enough, but they end up learning from the wrong people and it ends up being a downward spiral. When it comes to this, the government can intervene by preventing these preachers from teaching hateful crap that actually has nothing to do with Islam whatsoever.



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Well they DO make it legal to sell Al-qaeda propaganda in bookstores, and many groups in that area look at bin laden as a hero.

But we can't blame just the british government. We can also blame british women. If these terrorists were getting laid maybe, just maybe, their ugly asses wouldn't decide to attempt to blow up a plane or some shit.
Get the muslims laid everyone! It's your civic duty!



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Strategyking92 said:
Well they DO make it legal to sell Al-qaeda propaganda in bookstores, and many groups in that area look at bin laden as a hero.

But we can't blame just the british government. We can also blame british women. If these terrorists were getting laid maybe, just maybe, their ugly asses wouldn't decide to attempt to blow up a plane or some shit.
Get the muslims laid everyone! It's your civic duty!


lol.

Your not planning to get the first flight from teh USA to Birmingham are you?

Think about it, you could be the saviour of Britain (and America) from terror!



I think we may have to start using internment camps for radical Muslims just like the US did to Nazi party members and Japanese during WWII.

 



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Tyrannical said:

I think we may have to start using internment camps for radical Muslims just like the US did to Nazi party members and Japanese during WWII.

 

It didn't seem to work very well with Guantanamo Bay, which was probably far more a gold mine for Islamic extremists exploiting it for propaganda purposes than it was for actually fighting the war on terror.



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Strategyking92 said:
Well they DO make it legal to sell Al-qaeda propaganda in bookstores, and many groups in that area look at bin laden as a hero.

But we can't blame just the british government. We can also blame british women. If these terrorists were getting laid maybe, just maybe, their ugly asses wouldn't decide to attempt to blow up a plane or some shit.
Get the muslims laid everyone! It's your civic duty!

I'd think it would be legal to sell Al-Qeada propaganda in the US as well. 



You know, the problem isn't immigration itself. The problem is political correctiveness.
There wouldn't be a problem if behaviour that can't be tolerated wouldn't in reality be tolerated.

As for the fear of people losing their jobs, don't people in UK are said to be afraid of losing their jobs, at the same time you have a problem of how to get immigrants employed?



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I think the reason is down to culture disparity. The UK has a high population of Muslims, and this population of Muslims is generally not spread evenly, their are whole communities with a high concentration of Muslims. If I go to an area of my city called Spark Hill, I will see it is an almost 100% Muslim community, nothing like where I live which is predominately white Christian.

Obviously I think this can cause tensions. In countries where the population is total Muslim they don't have so much tension between communities because they are fairly similar. But having a Christian community a few miles away would cause more domesticated tensions.

Meh. I haven't exactly put that too eloquently, but you know what I mean.



@Highwaystar: Yes, cultural disparity is a problem, but should dig a little deeper into the problem.

What do you think could be done about it?



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You can't stop geography, cultural background and social issues.

If the US was geographically closer to Europe, and had the same cultural history as Britain, it would be seeing plenty of home grown extremists itself right now.

Of course, it is a problem, but seeing it as some sort of policy failure is exactly the simplistic approach that got US into so much trouble in Iraq and other countries. We are talking about situations that are the end result of a many years of cultural shifts, plus natural geography and proximity.

The reality is that, over time, unless things change, the odds of extremists being spread across many European countries is very likely - Britain is simply in a position due to its history where it's leading the way (not intentionally of course).

Personally, some serious thoughts on policy regarding what culture Britain actual wants and policies around that seem to be required. Right now Britain has changed hugely in a very short period of time, from a cultural perspective, and it's all been organic - i.e. unplanned in any way.

Given it's roots in India and Pakistan, social and economic inequality plus the fact integration of immigrants, particularly those with other religions other than the nominal 'official' religion of Britain - i.e. Christianity - has been pretty poor, with most living in tightly insular communities, plus the obvious lure of a 'British' extremist, it's of no surprise at all to me that we're seeing what we're seeing.

Another thing that would help would be if the US actually listened to Europe on the effects it actions will have on certain individuals living in Britain and other European countries - historic foreign policy by US has often handed certain movements exactly what they need to recruit from certain communities on a silver plate.



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