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theprof00 on 26 December 2009
Demotruk said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Demotruk said:

No, Japan is the only signifigant market for games in Asia. Korea may get there eventually, but right now it's not important enough. USA is part of the same market as Canada, which has similar trends and is operated by the same divisions of the big three. The UK only differs a little from the rest of the EU market as it's English speaking and more culturally influenced by the US. It's less distinct when you include the other English speaking sections of 'others', Australia, New Zealand and Ireland.

What?

China's  game market is reported to hit 41 billion yuan ($6 billion USD) in 2010.

How much is that in Japan right now?   But hey I forgive you because this is a console sales site chartz.

Well, you know the context we're talking about, as you acknowledge it yourself.

Just to comment on China....it's probably one of the hardest regions to track sales in, not only because piracy is rampant, but because the places that sell the consoles don't really go through any official avenues.

I can imagine that one store might order psps from Sony distributors, and then another store orders from that store, and then another store trades tvs for the psps, and then another store buys all those and mods them...etc etc. How do you track any of that? The only way would be to find out the sales of sony distributors, or sony itself, which we aren't privvy to unless sony comes out and tells everyone what they sold.



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justinian on 26 December 2009
theprof00 said:
STEKSTAV said:
Id say no one cares about UK sales, while Japan has exclusives for that region, they release their own numbers for people who are interested in what they show etc. UK isn't of any interest.

UK is Europe.. no one sits and go "i can't wait to see how this and that game does in the UK". But articles, forums and news sites post massive amount of content on how games and consoles does in Japan.

UK is boring.

This is a great point.

There are many Japan-exclusive games out there which are internally targeted. They don't see release in any other country unless they become popular enough in Japan. The rest of the world barely sees 10% of Japanese games....

So, Japan only sales is a very important number, both to give evidence for possible exports, and to understand why some Japanese games sell, and some don't.

 

If a game is released in the UK, it will pretty much be released everywhere else, so it doesn't really make sense to track UK only sales, since they aren't really that vital for a game to be successful, unlike NA and Japan.

I totally agree. The only reason the OP wants a UK chart is solely based on general sales, which is narrow minded.

As pointed out Japan gets it's own games. I know some people who are crazy about importing Japanese games.

I have never heard of a UK only release.

Even if it is just sales Japan move approx 750K pieces of hardware last week.

I don't see the UK doing that.



Lostplanet22 on 26 December 2009
theprof00 said:
Demotruk said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Demotruk said:

No, Japan is the only signifigant market for games in Asia. Korea may get there eventually, but right now it's not important enough. USA is part of the same market as Canada, which has similar trends and is operated by the same divisions of the big three. The UK only differs a little from the rest of the EU market as it's English speaking and more culturally influenced by the US. It's less distinct when you include the other English speaking sections of 'others', Australia, New Zealand and Ireland.

What?

China's  game market is reported to hit 41 billion yuan ($6 billion USD) in 2010.

How much is that in Japan right now?   But hey I forgive you because this is a console sales site chartz.

Well, you know the context we're talking about, as you acknowledge it yourself.

Just to comment on China....it's probably one of the hardest regions to track sales in, not only because piracy is rampant, but because the places that sell the consoles don't really go through any official avenues.

I can imagine that one store might order psps from Sony distributors, and then another store orders from that store, and then another store trades tvs for the psps, and then another store buys all those and mods them...etc etc. How do you track any of that? The only way would be to find out the sales of sony distributors, or sony itself, which we aren't privvy to unless sony comes out and tells everyone what they sold.

Consoles are not popular anyway. Sony probably sold more PSP's in Sweden/finland/Belgium/switzerland just saying how small the market is. Well what you want 'my nephew paid 45$ for a  abonnement that let him play any PC game at his local internet shop for a whole year'  It is a bit like the new console they want to release in NA/EU that let you play a lot of games for free with only a monthly/annual charge (forgot the name damned it).



 

Euphoria14 on 26 December 2009

UK is just as important as Japan in terms of gaming?

Joke thread? O_o



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Seraphic_Sixaxis on 26 December 2009
hatmoza said:
Out of curiosity Kowenicki, what are PS3 Vs 360 sales in the UK alone?

OT I like it the way it is. Three is a charm ^_^ and honestly, I think it would just be more fuel for the console wars on ze forums. Breaking down sales to more regions or categories is not going to help your future arguments which is why I ask that question, so it wasn't curiosity - more like "I see what you did there."

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theprof00 on 26 December 2009
Lostplanet22 said:
theprof00 said:
Demotruk said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Demotruk said:

No, Japan is the only signifigant market for games in Asia. Korea may get there eventually, but right now it's not important enough. USA is part of the same market as Canada, which has similar trends and is operated by the same divisions of the big three. The UK only differs a little from the rest of the EU market as it's English speaking and more culturally influenced by the US. It's less distinct when you include the other English speaking sections of 'others', Australia, New Zealand and Ireland.

What?

China's  game market is reported to hit 41 billion yuan ($6 billion USD) in 2010.

How much is that in Japan right now?   But hey I forgive you because this is a console sales site chartz.

Well, you know the context we're talking about, as you acknowledge it yourself.

Just to comment on China....it's probably one of the hardest regions to track sales in, not only because piracy is rampant, but because the places that sell the consoles don't really go through any official avenues.

I can imagine that one store might order psps from Sony distributors, and then another store orders from that store, and then another store trades tvs for the psps, and then another store buys all those and mods them...etc etc. How do you track any of that? The only way would be to find out the sales of sony distributors, or sony itself, which we aren't privvy to unless sony comes out and tells everyone what they sold.

Consoles are not popular anyway. Sony probably sold more PSP's in Sweden/finland/Belgium/switzerland just saying how small the market is. Well what you want 'my nephew paid 45$ for a  abonnement that let him play any PC game at his local internet shop for a whole year'  It is a bit like the new console they want to release in NA/EU that let you play a lot of games for free with only a monthly/annual charge (forgot the name damned it).

I went to Thailand once, and there are literally malls filled with pirated material.

The funny thing is, they sold the copied ones right next to the legitimate copies..

So like, when I went there, the Sims had just launched. I went to the mall to pick it up and there was an obvious copy which included a bunch of other sim games as well as the Sims, SimAnt, SimTower, SimCity etc etc. Right next to the CD envelope was a boxed retail Sims game, for like, 3 dollars more. The copy was 3$, the retail was 5$....something like that. I also bought 40 Dreamcast games for 10$.

I can't imagine China being any more legitimate about software than Thailand.



Lostplanet22 on 26 December 2009
theprof00 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
theprof00 said:
Demotruk said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Demotruk said:

No, Japan is the only signifigant market for games in Asia. Korea may get there eventually, but right now it's not important enough. USA is part of the same market as Canada, which has similar trends and is operated by the same divisions of the big three. The UK only differs a little from the rest of the EU market as it's English speaking and more culturally influenced by the US. It's less distinct when you include the other English speaking sections of 'others', Australia, New Zealand and Ireland.

What?

China's  game market is reported to hit 41 billion yuan ($6 billion USD) in 2010.

How much is that in Japan right now?   But hey I forgive you because this is a console sales site chartz.

Well, you know the context we're talking about, as you acknowledge it yourself.

Just to comment on China....it's probably one of the hardest regions to track sales in, not only because piracy is rampant, but because the places that sell the consoles don't really go through any official avenues.

I can imagine that one store might order psps from Sony distributors, and then another store orders from that store, and then another store trades tvs for the psps, and then another store buys all those and mods them...etc etc. How do you track any of that? The only way would be to find out the sales of sony distributors, or sony itself, which we aren't privvy to unless sony comes out and tells everyone what they sold.

Consoles are not popular anyway. Sony probably sold more PSP's in Sweden/finland/Belgium/switzerland just saying how small the market is. Well what you want 'my nephew paid 45$ for a  abonnement that let him play any PC game at his local internet shop for a whole year'  It is a bit like the new console they want to release in NA/EU that let you play a lot of games for free with only a monthly/annual charge (forgot the name damned it).

I went to Thailand once, and there are literally malls filled with pirated material.

The funny thing is, they sold the copied ones right next to the legitimate copies..

So like, when I went there, the Sims had just launched. I went to the mall to pick it up and there was an obvious copy which included a bunch of other sim games as well as the Sims, SimAnt, SimTower, SimCity etc etc. Right next to the CD envelope was a boxed retail Sims game, for like, 3 dollars more. The copy was 3$, the retail was 5$....something like that. I also bought 40 Dreamcast games for 10$.

I can't imagine China being any more legitimate about software than Thailand.

Hey I am for sure not saying China is more legitimate about software than Thailand.  Prices of games are way to high (atleast for now) for 99,9% of customers.



 

psfanboy on 26 December 2009

if you dont respect japan as a gaming country you are making a big mistake.... even thou they seel less console i hope you do know that all the ps3 and wii's and ds's en psp are comming from JAPAN!! soo in fact... japan sells more console's than usa can(xbox360) ever in their lifetime.

whitout japan their would be noo gaming...
japan is and always will be tje gaming heaven of the world



Lostplanet22 on 26 December 2009

Where does koweniki state we should not respest Japan? And without Japan their would be no gaming not going a bit to far aren't you psfanboy?



 

theprof00 on 26 December 2009
Lostplanet22 said:
theprof00 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
theprof00 said:
Demotruk said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Demotruk said:

No, Japan is the only signifigant market for games in Asia. Korea may get there eventually, but right now it's not important enough. USA is part of the same market as Canada, which has similar trends and is operated by the same divisions of the big three. The UK only differs a little from the rest of the EU market as it's English speaking and more culturally influenced by the US. It's less distinct when you include the other English speaking sections of 'others', Australia, New Zealand and Ireland.

What?

China's  game market is reported to hit 41 billion yuan ($6 billion USD) in 2010.

How much is that in Japan right now?   But hey I forgive you because this is a console sales site chartz.

Well, you know the context we're talking about, as you acknowledge it yourself.

Just to comment on China....it's probably one of the hardest regions to track sales in, not only because piracy is rampant, but because the places that sell the consoles don't really go through any official avenues.

I can imagine that one store might order psps from Sony distributors, and then another store orders from that store, and then another store trades tvs for the psps, and then another store buys all those and mods them...etc etc. How do you track any of that? The only way would be to find out the sales of sony distributors, or sony itself, which we aren't privvy to unless sony comes out and tells everyone what they sold.

Consoles are not popular anyway. Sony probably sold more PSP's in Sweden/finland/Belgium/switzerland just saying how small the market is. Well what you want 'my nephew paid 45$ for a  abonnement that let him play any PC game at his local internet shop for a whole year'  It is a bit like the new console they want to release in NA/EU that let you play a lot of games for free with only a monthly/annual charge (forgot the name damned it).

I went to Thailand once, and there are literally malls filled with pirated material.

The funny thing is, they sold the copied ones right next to the legitimate copies..

So like, when I went there, the Sims had just launched. I went to the mall to pick it up and there was an obvious copy which included a bunch of other sim games as well as the Sims, SimAnt, SimTower, SimCity etc etc. Right next to the CD envelope was a boxed retail Sims game, for like, 3 dollars more. The copy was 3$, the retail was 5$....something like that. I also bought 40 Dreamcast games for 10$.

I can't imagine China being any more legitimate about software than Thailand.

Hey I am for sure not saying China is more legitimate about software than Thailand.  Prices of games are way to high (atleast for now) for 99,9% of customers.

I'm not arguing, just chatting about china. I didn't mention it, but in Thailand, the difference between 3$ and 5$, was more comparitively a difference of 30$ and 50$ for the average Thai citizen. The dollar translates very well to the Thai Baht, but it doesn't mean things are actually that much cheaper for them. Just like China, the average person can barely afford food and shelter.