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sinha on 05 November 2007

Hah, first letter of each paragraph, that part of it was a bit too subtle for me.


Very clever, but you went too far with this statement:

"Even the PS3 will be able to easily pass the Wii because thanks to the Cell and Bluray it is futureproof and will last for at least ten years."

You can't call the PS3 "futureproof" and expect to be taken seriously.



We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process. - SCEI president Kaz Hirai

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games. - Activision CEO Bobby Kotick

 

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NJ5 on 05 November 2007

 



My Mario Kart Wii friend code: 2707-1866-0957

Sqrl on 05 November 2007

I was shocked people didn't see the bold right away, and I will admit I didn't notice the first letter of each paragraph to start with but I did catch it before I read Rol's explanation...I feel smart! =P
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ArtofAngels on 05 November 2007
johnlucas said:
RolStoppable said:

With the sluggish sales of the Wii in Japan since about 12 weeks and the recent disappointment of first week sales for Super Mario Galaxy I am starting to doubt the longevity of the system. The Wii might be a fad after all which wouldn't be that surprising considering the sales of previous Nintendo consoles like the Gamecube, which started well at first too. Although the sales of the GC dropped much quicker.

I think the reason why the Wii could maintain its strong sales longer than the Gamecube is because the Wii had Wii Sports. I am worried what will happen to the western market once people get bored of this game, my guess is that the sales of the Wii will take a serious hit. Most of the Wii's success can be attributed to party games which is evidenced by the sales of Wii Play and Mario Party 8. This can't last forever.

I also lost faith in Nintendo as a developer of top notch first party software after the disapointments their combo of big games (Zelda, Metroid, Mario) has been. Zelda had tacked on controls, Metroid was a streamlined 5 hour game (if you want to see a picture for proof, let's exchange Wii numbers) and not the deep experience I was used to from the Gamecube games, Mario seems to be a totally easy game now (thanks to the casual gamers who can't handle hard games) which can be finished in about 7 hours. I feel betrayed by Nintendo and I am sure that I am not alone, many other longtime Nintendo fans probably feel the same way. Easy games suited for casual gamers is not the way this industry should heading to, I want to play my deep singleplayer games like they used to be. Instead of making games for me, Nintendo develops Wii Fit and other crap which aren't even real games.

Because third parties still don't see the Wii as viable platform we will get mostly minigames from them, which make up already the biggest part of the Wii's library. The strong sales of the Wii early on didn't matter as all the major third party franchises I care for are still not in the works for the Wii, only for 360/PS3. That's not what I would call serious support. I can't really blame them, seeing that only Nintendo games seem to sell well on Nintendo systems, the Wii is no exception.

I think once the 360 and PS3 get another price cut, the Wii is finished, because I don't see Nintendo dropping their price as well, they will continue to overcharge for their outdated hardware which as we all know is only two Gamecubes duct taped together.

Now another reason why I could see the Wii failing is the growing adoption rate of HDTVs. Even the PS3 will be able to easily pass the Wii because thanks to the Cell and Bluray it is futureproof and will last for at least ten years. On top of that the 2008 lineup of the 360 (Fable 2, Halo Wars, Banjo 3) and the PS3 (MGS4, GT5, GTA IV) can't be countered by anything the Wii offers.

Generally the Wii sold well until now because it is cheap. The old technique used in the Wii can't last forever and we will most likely see a Wii HD in 2009, just like Pachter said.

Other problems I have with the Wii are: Games for it so far haven't proven that the Wiimote can be used in more than just gimmicky ways. Nintendo doesn't seem to care for online, most games don't support it and in the ones that do, I have to deal with the annoying friend codes. The virtual console seemed to be a great idea at first, but let's be honest, the games are overpriced. I mean €8 for a Megadrive game, seriously?

 

 

Thoughts?


You're panicking like Onna76.

All I can tell you is that time will show you the error of your statements.

360 & PS3 cannot touch what Wii is doing. in fact 360 & PS3 are the ones who will soon need to start panicking.

I think the upcoming 3rd party influx will soothe Rol's fears.

And let me tell you about those VC prices. The Rhino's in my town which is now a Gamestop (dammit) used to have all these old games and many of them ran HIGHER than what Wii is selling them for. The NES's were cheaper most of them but everything else was HIGHER than the prices Wii puts out.

AND the whole point is that where are you gonna find these games for sale anymore? The rarer something gets the higher it is priced. Hence that $50 I swallowed getting the legendary Earthbound.

Now for those who use ROMs online, all prices are too high because anything higher than Free is too high. Outside of that VC games aren't priced that badly and as we see by the original Japanese version of SMB2 we're getting games that we NEVER would have gotten in ANY store.

And listening to Pachter is a foolish endeavor. He never knows what he's talking about. Half the board here alone could steal his job being they have a better handle on the direction of this market than he does.

Or maybe this was some clever joke post. Rol saying "real games"?

Well if you ARE sincere about what you're saying here better jump out now. Wii is INDEED the future along with Wii Fit and games of that caliber. They are ready to make the competition irrelevant now. Plans are underway. Larval stage going into pupa ready to emerge as the butterfly that transforms the entire industry.

And I gleefully await the transformation.

John Lucas 


You were typing that for an hour without refreshing a tab wern't you old Johny?



sinha on 05 November 2007
johnlucas said:
 

You're panicking like Onna76.

All I can tell you is that time will show you the error of your statements.

... 


Another one gets caught in the trap.



We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process. - SCEI president Kaz Hirai

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games. - Activision CEO Bobby Kotick

 

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konnichiwa on 05 November 2007

WTF IS THAT 12 HIT COMBO THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






johnlucas on 05 November 2007
sinha said:
 

Another one gets caught in the trap.


Or is it the other way around?

John Lucas 



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tabsina on 05 November 2007
konnichiwa said:
WTF IS THAT 12 HIT COMBO THING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

its when you get all the squares in wii bingo

5 bingos across
5 bingos down
and 2 bingos diagonal

= 12

 

Edit... I was beat



Onimusha12 on 05 November 2007
jjseth said:
Onimusha12 said:
jjseth said:
ArtofAngels said:
Why the hell is '12 Hit Combo' in bold like that or this Wii Bingo crap?

Is this some new internet nerd slang I don't know about?

Kinda like that newish stupid 'FTW' (*For The Way* some idiots claim it stands for) When clearly it's just WTF backwards.

I really really hope you are kidding here.   FTW stands for "For The Win" and has nothing at all to deal with WTF.  :)

 And those are the only games we played and that she had that we tried.  From what I saw though, I really don't care much about the Wii mote and how it controls and handles games.  Sure, I did have some curiousity in how it worked and did keep an open mind when trying it.   It just comes off as a fad to me and those other games really seem like it would be very awkward in controlling.   Maybe to a 12 year old it may be a hit.  But when you get a combo of a older generation graphics wise machine and a gimmicky controller it will begin to fade from popularity especially when you start to miss some of the big hits that aren't capable of running on the Wii hardware.


Because 6-Axis isn't gimmicky at all, no, now there's a solid controller.  Lol, I can't believe there is still an ancient artifact like yourself still perfectly intact from the early FUD days of the Wii's launch. It's like finding a Ceolocanth.


It actually is a solid controller. :)  Fits my hands well and it's the same familiar style I'm used to.   I'm not ancient, just well seasoned.    And hey, ummmm I found a indian head penny.  :)

 

I think you missed a hidden message in my last post. :P


No, I got the message perfectly, I just I thought it'd be more poetic to school you on a lesson in hypocrisy instead of feeding an endless cycle of giving you excuses to spout unsubstantiated belittling of a console you never had any interest in giving a fair shake to begin with.

And yes, I suppose scientifically the Six-Axis controller could be termed a solid, not a gas, liquid or plasma. But you're still left with the Six-Axis motion controls themselves, goofy ass R2 & L2 Buttons and the wonderful Dualshock 3 debacle, though I forgot, Rumble was last gen wasn't it.  The point is don't spout nonsense about controllers to drive home a point when yours is hardly in any position to brag about.

The rest of your argument is basically just shit talking disguised in the most patronizing manner possible. There is no constructive merit to your posts, just you trying to find excuses to express your displeasurement with the Wii.



johnlucas on 05 November 2007
RolStoppable said:
sinha said:
Hah, first letter of each paragraph, that part of it was a bit too subtle for me.


Very clever, but you went too far with this statement:

"Even the PS3 will be able to easily pass the Wii because thanks to the Cell and Bluray it is futureproof and will last for at least ten years."

You can't call the PS3 "futureproof" and expect to be taken seriously


What about getting Pachter into the post?

It wasn't easy at all to fill out the board and still sounding somewhat believable.


Had us going Rol. Made me blurt out a long essay for nothing. Damn, boy!

The Pachter line really raised my eyebrow but I always prefer to be safe rather than sorry.

Pachter. Has anybody made a Mii of him that we can beat on the Wii series especially boxing?

Good acting. You should get a job in Hollywood....or the U.S. Government.

John Lucas 



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