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Onimusha12 on 05 November 2007
jjseth said:
Onimusha12 said:

No, I got the message perfectly, I just I thought it'd be more poetic to school you on a lesson in hypocrisy instead of feeding an endless cycle of giving you excuses to spout unsubstantiated belittling of a console you never had any interest in giving a fair shake to begin with.

And yes, I suppose scientifically the Six-Axis controller could be termed a solid, not a gas, liquid or plasma. But you're still left with the Six-Axis motion controls themselves, goofy ass R2 & L2 Buttons and the wonderful Dualshock 3 debacle, though I forgot, Rumble was last gen wasn't it.  The point is don't spout nonsense about controllers to drive home a point when yours is hardly in any position to brag about.

The rest of your argument is basically just shit talking disguised in the most patronizing manner possible. There is no constructive merit to your posts, just you trying to find excuses to express your displeasurement with the Wii.


Whatever makes you sleep better at night for defending your precious game system of choice.   You didn't school me in anything in all honesty.  And I do stand by my impressions of the wii and the gimmicky motion controls.   No matter what you say to me will not make me change my belief that the control scheme is gimmicky and just not that good.   Plain and simple, I didn't like it.   Smooth moves was fun for what it was, as was the wii bowling.

There you go, taking what I said out of context just to troll about me.  The PS3 controller is a well designed controller that has been around in that style for 3 generations now.  The reason it's still the same shape and many of the same features (soon to have rumble back into it) is because it fits people's hands better then most other controllers would be.  To me it is much more comfortable and not quite so awkward to use.  The six axis controls are fine and do work quite well, but I don't use them that often as I can do better by using the analog stick.  For some motions, yea, it's great.  For others, not so much so.   The r2 and l2 buttons are perfectly fine for me and I like them the way they are.   The point is, don't spout nonsense about a controller you most likely haven't used just to troll and try to flame bait another forum member. :)

Like I said.  I really don't care about the Wii.  It's fine for the party games, but it's not something that I would need to go and play after a long day at work and I want to kill things and people online.  Then I'll pop in Halo 3 or Warhawk and have fun killing people. :)


You can always tell a person has a solid argument when their defense of choice is, "Well, uh... it doesn't bother me."

No one is attacking you for having opinions, rather basing those opinions on your limitted experience with only two games and one genre. My intention was never to convince you of anything, you've proven to us with your own words that your mind was made up long before giving anything a chance. My aim however was to hold you to the shallow nature of your contribution to this thread and your rather dated need to accost the Wii with outdated jabs and transparent gestures at maintaining a constructive contribution. *shakes head* Under the pressure though you predictably slip up, avoid adressing certain points and betray your facade with glaring admitions of your own bias and personal attacks.

You came into this thread naively thinking the OP was serious, presented your laughable patronage of the Wii to serve your own ego and now have been played into making the kind of poorly formed anti-Nintendo/pro-Sony arguments we haven't seen since the two consoles launched. Face it, all you wanted was an excuse to bash the Wii. Only you presented any reason to discuss the PS3 in this thread so spare us your cries of persecution. So cluelessly you've stumbled into this thread, now the real question is can you walk out of it with your pride in tact? I'm sure you'll try.

Call me a troll if you must, but I'm not the one who has been banned before.



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Hawk on 05 November 2007
jjseth said:
Sqrl said:
"The rest of your argument is basically just shit talking disguised in the most patronizing manner possible. There is no constructive merit to your posts, just you trying to find excuses to express your displeasurement with the Wii."
Thats really all you needed to say and he didn't even bother to refute it.

You may not believe that to be true since you feel the need to defend the Wii if there happens to be someone who HAS played the system that didn't fall in love with it. I'm not finding excuses for anything with talking about displeasurement with the Wii. It's not the game system for me and I just plain and simple don't care for it. Maybe in a drunken party state I may enjoy the bowling or something like that. But I won't be running home just so I can pop in some game that manuevers horribly and really offers little replay value in a sober state.

Just accept the fact that not everyone will love the Wii. You like it, good for you. I happen to like substance and quality games with great controls.


Hey jjseth. I know you don't like the Wii, and no biggie. That's how you feel about it. But I think you say incorrect statements about the Wii and have an unfair bias.

For instance, you say you like games of substance, quality, and great controls. Yet you choose WiiSports and Wario Ware to judge the system on? Judge the system on it's games of substance, quality, and great controls. I love my Wii, but if all I had to choose from were those two games (which I dislike Wario Ware anyway), I'd get rid of my system. I like party games, but that's not why I get or keep a video game console.

Try out Zelda or Resident Evil 4 for substance, quality, and great controls. I've read several reviewers that believe RE4: Wii Edition is the definitive version of the game, with far superior controls. Metroid Prime 3 has been said to have the best FPS controls there are (Though I don't personally agree, but I do think they are extremely good). Or even Mario Strikers Charged. I don't like sports games, nor soccor, but that game is a blast. MSC takes a high degree of skill too.

I like ya man. But I think you are a bit close minded about the Wii. I am not arguing that your wrong to dislike it. I just don't believe you've given yourself a true open minded chance to like it.



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KruzeS on 05 November 2007
konnichiwa said:

And then he wanted to be a mod This will not help.

And you think he should be banned over it. Right. I suggest you report it then and/or PM a mod, and wait for their answers, cause I'm betting this is more than acceptable. This is great. I want more. Coming from PS and Xbox fans, preferably. And... lighten up, you.



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MeowTheMouse on 05 November 2007

@jjseth
sorry but not every one, arguing why the wii sux ofcrs i will say why the ps3 sux.
but i never breng out those topic i think every one should enjoy his own console and every one buys his console to his own personal taste that doesnt change the fact that ps3 sales are all cuz of its brand name.
that still doesnt mean ps3 is a bad console, but that doesnt mean its a great one either.



ElRhodeo on 05 November 2007

Wow. Took me a minute to get it, but then it's really funny. Lol @ the affirmative posts.



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Avalach21 on 05 November 2007
KruzeS said:
konnichiwa said:

And then he wanted to be a mod =/ This will not help.

And you think he should be banned over it. Right. I suggest you report it and/or PM a mod, and wait for their answers, cause I'm betting this is more than acceptable. This is great. I want more. Coming from PS and Xbox fans, preferably. And lighten up, you.


 Yeah seriously, what was konnichiwa talking about.  Why would he get banned for this?  Theres no problem here...  This is the most clever post I have seen not only on this site, but on the internet in general in a long time, and maybe, of all time.



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Sqrl on 05 November 2007
jjseth said:

Sqrl said:

I do accept that its not for everyone, and I never said I didn't but nice strawman.

The difference between what we are talking about and someone who simply doesn't like the console is your need to find ways to bring it up or mention it in your posts. I won't say all of your posts but a very large number of them are bizarre in the way you basically try to work your way towards justifying your wii bashing. Your fixation and hatred for the Wii is kind of disturbing really and you should probably try to focus more on what you do care about rather than what you dislike.

edit: Hell look at your most recent post here:

Apparently you only enjoy the Wii when drunk.
Believe all games maneuver horribly and have no replayability unless drunk.
Think games all lack substance and have bad controls.


Then how come you and others have brought up bad things about the PS3 in here? Is it because you simply do not like the console for one frivilous reason or another just to bash it? You have assumed incorrectly that the majority (large number) of my posts are slams against the Wii. They really aren't. I did admit that the bowling was fun and a couple other mini-games, but they don't make me want to rush home to play one or even drop $250 on one. I don't hate the Wii, it's more that I don't care much for the fanboys of Nintendo who go out of their way to bash the PS3 or even 360.

Your hatred towards Sony is rather disturbing. It's almost like Sony robbed your house, raped your dog, tickled your mother, and tied your dad up to the bannister and made him watch a marathon of Spiderman 3 for 24 hours.

I had two beers while watching a movie beforehand, and then played the Wii, so no I wasn't drunk but would have probably enjoyed it more if I was just a lil bit toasted. From what I have played, they do manuever poorly and other then in a party type situation I really could care less about playing it again. There are many games out there that lack substance and have poor control schemes. It's not just on the Wii, but on all consoles that have clunky control schemes (For some games), but for the Wii it seems it's more dependant on the controller and not the game developers.


I'm not gonna drag this out anymore.  If you can't tell the difference between people  debating specifically about a thread topic a and what you do (which is making your negative Wii opinions known whenever and wherever regardless of topic) then I'm not going to bother explaining it to you.

The funny thing is how you got really defensive with PS3 without me having said a single thing about it in this thread, you really should stop falling back on strawman arguments and just face your own bias.  When you have to pretend that I am bashing the PS3 when I haven't even commented on it in the thread you should easily be able to recognize how flimsy even you think your argument is.
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Hawk on 05 November 2007
jjseth said:

I had two beers while watching a movie beforehand, and then played the Wii, so no I wasn't drunk but would have probably enjoyed it more if I was just a lil bit toasted. From what I have played, they do manuever poorly and other then in a party type situation I really could care less about playing it again. There are many games out there that lack substance and have poor control schemes. It's not just on the Wii, but on all consoles that have clunky control schemes (For some games), but for the Wii it seems it's more dependant on the controller and not the game developers.


 This is something I was very concerned about in the beginning myself.  And let me tell you, when I had high hopes for the system and it's controls, and the first game you play is Red Steel, your hopes are crushed.  I was initially extremely disappointed in the Wiimote and thought no game could have even decent controlls on it.

But let me tell you, I have learned the controls are very developer dependant.  In time I've come to learn that.  There are games, few as they may be at the moment, that have VERY tight and exceptional motion and targeting controls.  The Wii controls are extremely capable, the developers just need to utilize that.



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konnichiwa on 05 November 2007
Avalach21 said:
KruzeS said:
konnichiwa said:

And then he wanted to be a mod =/ This will not help.

And you think he should be banned over it. Right. I suggest you report it and/or PM a mod, and wait for their answers, cause I'm betting this is more than acceptable. This is great. I want more. Coming from PS and Xbox fans, preferably. And lighten up, you.


 Yeah seriously, what was konnichiwa talking about.  Why would he get banned for this?  Theres no problem here...  This is the most clever post I have seen not only on this site, but on the internet in general in a long time, and maybe, of all time.


 I said you deserve a ban.  But that was more a joke than serious.

edit: LOOOOL.  I said ' I will not be sad if he gets banned' XD.






Chadius on 05 November 2007

Good job Rol. You had me freaked out for a second there.

Also, the number of people who keep falling for this (and the Console Warzzzzz going on in this thread) was EPIC.



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