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Netyaroze said:
Someone should make a Poll about FF12 because I think that there are a lot people like me that actually liked it a lot.

We've had threads about that many times. My impression is that a slim majority hate it, often with gusto, but the supporters are pretty passionate about it. I have no idea where I fall: apart from XI, it's the only mainline one I've never tried.



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Xxain said:

The big issue im having FFXIII strips you of any freedom, its bad enough JRPG's are liner, but to make it worse No sidequest, LV caps , Xxploration, control over one character? come on Zen its good to be optimistic, but to ignorestuff like that? im not made FFXIII is being different but we have a JRPG tryin to be a action game...or hell a action game tryin to be a JRPG

A. Why is it bad that JRPGs are linear? I think it's great, actually....

B. There are few sidequests and exploration in the first 15 hours of nearly every FF before XII. I'm guessing you hated XII. In fact, for you, XII should be the perfect game. Exploration, sidequests, and leveling right off the bat, no progression required.

C. KoToR had level caps, and nearly every FF had level limitations. They just don't call them caps. Instead, you get much less exp per enemy kill in weaker areas. Also, I'm not sure you actually level in FFXIII.

D. In Tales of Symphonia, and Vesperia, you control 1 character. In FFXII you control 1 character, and set up gambits for secondary characters. Same in KoToR and Dragons Age, and many, many other great RPGs.

E. How the f do you think there are no sidequests or exploration in the game? Those things happen in disc 3 on FFVII. In other FF games, it takes sometimes months to figure out some of the more interesting end game quests and sidemissions. You have no idea how deep this game is.

Your afraid that this game will be a shallow game, and that's the long and the short of it. I doubt it is, and I know for damn sure that even if you've beaten it, you might not know for sure. FFXII and VIII have two of the deepest gameplay systems in JRPGs but you can blindly buttonmash your way through the main campaign and call the game shallow, but you won't be beating those weapons...

If my last response didn't convince you to think for yourself, nothing will, and if you have this little faith in the FF series after all this time, then maybe you should skip it. Put your faith in Wired.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

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The author of the article is the editor of the blog -- Chris Kohler.

He knows a lot about about two things -- video games and Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kohler)

He is no dummy (PBK and Fullbrights don't go to dimwits). But he occasionally can get hot-and-bothered about something that most people feel very differently about. For example, he panned Mario Kart Wii (6/10) because he did not like the battle system.

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iLLmaticV3 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Xxain said:
 

Zen this situation is alittle different, its not about a different Xxperience.... SE took the RPG elements out of a RPG!!!

Bullshit, it's the exact same. In every FF since IV, "Square took the BLANK out of a RPG!!!"

You don't know if what they added or what they took away is to the credit or debit off the game in your opinion, and basing your opinion off of bullshit like this PREVIEW is just plain lazy. Think for yourself, form your own opinion. Every FF has differing views and this is no different. Many love this game and not all of them love it just because it's called Final Fantasy. If you just want a remake of VII, then wait until they release that, but give SE a chance at least, because they are one of the only companies with the balls to try something new with their main franchise, everytime. You're prejudging them already, just because you WANT it to the be same, and it wasn't. Hell, I could have told you that, 5 years ago.

NEWSFLASH, this previewer got upset because Sqaure took things out of the game. WTF? There were never things in the game. There are no staples of the series, besides generic names like Sid, Chocobo, and the fact that it has some sembelance of a story. The last game was a damn single player MMO, the one before that WAS a MMO. They don't take things out and add things to a tired formula, they created a new one, with each entry, and we classify it. Give them a chance. It's good for gaming, it's good for the franchise, and who knows, this might be your favorite entry in the series. Do not let a guy who played less than half the game at review speed in Japanese, dissuade you about the game, if he was any kind of decent journalist, he would have waited until he had something to report before spewing ignorant presumptions about how much he likes the game, because he doesn't even know the final answer to that question yet.

Come on bro, think for yourself.

Excellent post. Everything I wanted to say you said for me!

People need to realize Square Enix can do whatever the hell they want with each new entry, they don't need to keep all the tradittional crap just because the fans want it.

Each new Final Fantasy is its own game which means they have every right to change things or create a whole new battle system or take out the "Victory Fanfare" and whatever else people are complaining about.

Edit: Change is good! If we had the same formula as Final Fantasy VII, how many of you honestly would still be interested in this franchise? It would become stale after a while and too much of the same.

your right

Why do what the consumer wants, screw them we will do what us awesome rock star game devs want

 

Thats good business



noname2200 said:
Netyaroze said:
Someone should make a Poll about FF12 because I think that there are a lot people like me that actually liked it a lot.

We've had threads about that many times. My impression is that a slim majority hate it, often with gusto, but the supporters are pretty passionate about it. I have no idea where I fall: apart from XI, it's the only mainline one I've never tried.

My theory is that most people didn't understand the battle system in FFXII, and how intricate it could actually become, especially with the crafting. I doubt that any who ever crafted a Tournesol hated the game.

The argument there is, "I hated the game, so I would never play it that much."

Truth is, it's like Demon's Soul in that its true greatness can only be seen by those who've seen the glory of accomplishing its challenges. There is a very deep and rewarding gameplay experience in FFXII, and no amount of detractors can ever tell me otherwise on that point, I've experienced it. I was once a detractor myself before I saw the light, so perhaps I have a more balanced perspective than most. I judged a book by its cover, its cover being the first 50 hours of the game without a strategy guide, and boy did I get the wrong impression out that game.

That's what people fail to realize though. It's a 100 hour game, and really, if you don't understand everything about it before you even press the power button, you haven't even started playing. In an MMO, you can turn it on, level a toon, and vaguely enjoy yourself. However, there is also raid content for the hardcore players. XII is a JRPG built entirely around SP raid content, if you aren't ready to dedicate yourself to it, you probably should just skip it.. :P



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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mike_intellivision said:
The author of the article is the editor of the blog -- Chris Kohler.

He knows a lot about about two things -- video games and Japan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Kohler)

He is no dummy (PBK and Fullbrights don't go to dimwits). But he occasionally can get hot-and-bothered about something that most people feel very differently about. For example, he panned Mario Kart Wii (6/10) because he did not like the battle system.

Mike from Morgantown

Anyone who burns a game down based on the type of information he has, gathered in the way he gathered it, isn't "no dummy" imho.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

mhsillen said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Xxain said:
 

Zen this situation is alittle different, its not about a different Xxperience.... SE took the RPG elements out of a RPG!!!

Bullshit, it's the exact same. In every FF since IV, "Square took the BLANK out of a RPG!!!"

You don't know if what they added or what they took away is to the credit or debit off the game in your opinion, and basing your opinion off of bullshit like this PREVIEW is just plain lazy. Think for yourself, form your own opinion. Every FF has differing views and this is no different. Many love this game and not all of them love it just because it's called Final Fantasy. If you just want a remake of VII, then wait until they release that, but give SE a chance at least, because they are one of the only companies with the balls to try something new with their main franchise, everytime. You're prejudging them already, just because you WANT it to the be same, and it wasn't. Hell, I could have told you that, 5 years ago.

NEWSFLASH, this previewer got upset because Sqaure took things out of the game. WTF? There were never things in the game. There are no staples of the series, besides generic names like Sid, Chocobo, and the fact that it has some sembelance of a story. The last game was a damn single player MMO, the one before that WAS a MMO. They don't take things out and add things to a tired formula, they created a new one, with each entry, and we classify it. Give them a chance. It's good for gaming, it's good for the franchise, and who knows, this might be your favorite entry in the series. Do not let a guy who played less than half the game at review speed in Japanese, dissuade you about the game, if he was any kind of decent journalist, he would have waited until he had something to report before spewing ignorant presumptions about how much he likes the game, because he doesn't even know the final answer to that question yet.

Come on bro, think for yourself.

Excellent post. Everything I wanted to say you said for me!

People need to realize Square Enix can do whatever the hell they want with each new entry, they don't need to keep all the tradittional crap just because the fans want it.

Each new Final Fantasy is its own game which means they have every right to change things or create a whole new battle system or take out the "Victory Fanfare" and whatever else people are complaining about.

Edit: Change is good! If we had the same formula as Final Fantasy VII, how many of you honestly would still be interested in this franchise? It would become stale after a while and too much of the same.

your right

Why do what the consumer wants, screw them we will do what us awesome rock star game devs want

 

Thats good business

Final Fantasy 13 sold 1.5million first week in Japan. Looks like the consumers had no problem with change.

Need I say more?



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Final Fantasy Versus XIII will be the GREATEST game EVER made!!!

I'd take a bullet for Square-Enix! 

 

mhsillen said:

your right

Why do what the consumer wants, screw them we will do what us awesome rock star game devs want

 

Thats good business

Without that change, we certainly wouldn't have had FFVII, and the franchise would probably be long dead.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

iLLmaticV3 said:
mhsillen said:
iLLmaticV3 said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Xxain said:
 

Zen this situation is alittle different, its not about a different Xxperience.... SE took the RPG elements out of a RPG!!!

Bullshit, it's the exact same. In every FF since IV, "Square took the BLANK out of a RPG!!!"

You don't know if what they added or what they took away is to the credit or debit off the game in your opinion, and basing your opinion off of bullshit like this PREVIEW is just plain lazy. Think for yourself, form your own opinion. Every FF has differing views and this is no different. Many love this game and not all of them love it just because it's called Final Fantasy. If you just want a remake of VII, then wait until they release that, but give SE a chance at least, because they are one of the only companies with the balls to try something new with their main franchise, everytime. You're prejudging them already, just because you WANT it to the be same, and it wasn't. Hell, I could have told you that, 5 years ago.

NEWSFLASH, this previewer got upset because Sqaure took things out of the game. WTF? There were never things in the game. There are no staples of the series, besides generic names like Sid, Chocobo, and the fact that it has some sembelance of a story. The last game was a damn single player MMO, the one before that WAS a MMO. They don't take things out and add things to a tired formula, they created a new one, with each entry, and we classify it. Give them a chance. It's good for gaming, it's good for the franchise, and who knows, this might be your favorite entry in the series. Do not let a guy who played less than half the game at review speed in Japanese, dissuade you about the game, if he was any kind of decent journalist, he would have waited until he had something to report before spewing ignorant presumptions about how much he likes the game, because he doesn't even know the final answer to that question yet.

Come on bro, think for yourself.

Excellent post. Everything I wanted to say you said for me!

People need to realize Square Enix can do whatever the hell they want with each new entry, they don't need to keep all the tradittional crap just because the fans want it.

Each new Final Fantasy is its own game which means they have every right to change things or create a whole new battle system or take out the "Victory Fanfare" and whatever else people are complaining about.

Edit: Change is good! If we had the same formula as Final Fantasy VII, how many of you honestly would still be interested in this franchise? It would become stale after a while and too much of the same.

your right

Why do what the consumer wants, screw them we will do what us awesome rock star game devs want

 

Thats good business

Final Fantasy 13 sold 1.5million first week in Japan. Looks like the consumers had no problem with change.

Need I say more?

Yes I think it's arrogent to not take into consideration what the consumer wants.  It's just fortunate FF fans will purchase the game without a second thought.

 



Unlucky 13- it may well be an average game. We will have to wait for the western reviews. I am willing to bet Final Fantasy XIII will not be AAA game when all the reviews are in. Its average review scores could be in the mid 80's. Good game but not great.

Eye candy game with beautiful graphics/ cut scenes may well be used as a smoke and mirrors to cover up the lacklustre game play. The lack of an open world 30 or 40 hours is considered fairly short for a Final fantasy game. The game will sell well and it will have it fans and haters.

I thought Final Fantasy XIII would be on 4 XBox 360 game discs. It is only on 3 game discs.