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jarrod on 29 December 2009
Darth Tigris said:

2) How much more would the game have sold had they released a 360 version? Easily 500k+. I still would like to know why it was not released on the 360 in Japan, but we'll probably never know. Regardless, it would've possibly made this the best selling FF release on launch since FFVII and that would've been HUGE. Their loss.

I think it'd have sold a good ~100-150k more week one.  Possibly enough for FFXIII to match FFX/XII 1st week.

As for why it didn't happen, likely it was a compromise n SE's part to get out of any further exclusivity contracts.



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Inigo13 on 29 December 2009
BladeOfGod said:
bmmb1 said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Inigo13 said:
Demotruk said:
BladeOfGod said:
wow, people are really overhyping NSMBW sales. 30 million my ass. If NSMB DS couldnt sell that much what chances does Wii version have with 2 times smaller userbase. I think NSMBW will sell 15m-17m worldwide, about 2m more than FF13

Wii is tracking on par with DS, and Mario Kart Wii massively outdid Mario Kart DS.

 

And MKWii being bundled with wheel controller has nothing to do with it

Excitebots is also bundled with the Wheel controller, so there goes that theory.

Excitebots brand is much lees powerfull than Mario brand and it had much less comercials on TV, so there goes that theory

And with that reply, it seems you do actually realize why Mario Kart Wii sells - and it has nothing to do with a plastic wheel.

it sells because of brand power AND wheel controller

Well maybe they should package that wheel controller in with Final Fantasy XIII in the West - it's gonna need it to reach your outrageous projections!

That argument is so strong and makes so much sence that i am speechless now

I'm sure.  By your logic, plastic wheels somehow boosts sales, so...

I may be wrong but reading his responses it seems to me he thinks the plastic wheel bundled with Mario Kart Wii (and Excitebots...) is actually a motion controller, not just a piece of plastic. Note that he keeps calling it "wheel controller" and in one post says "New innovative motion controller + the strongest brand in gaming and lots of ads= Good sales".

wasn't that pretty obvious?

You do realize that its just a piece of plastic, right? The wiimote is the motion controller, and everyone with a Wii already has that.



jarrod on 29 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:

Let's take a look at something, if the PS fanbase is completely "split", why did MGS4 sell MORE than MGS3? 

It didn't in Japan.  MGS4 was also the hyped-to-hell series debut on PS3, and didn't come even close to matching the correlating hyped-to-hell series debut on PS2 (MGS2).  Had it been multiplatform it might have though (like DMC4 matching DMC1).

If MGS5 is a PS3 exclusive, it won't match MGS3 either.



jarrod on 29 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:

Let's take a look at something, if the PS fanbase is completely "split", why did MGS4 sell MORE than MGS3? 

It didn't in Japan.  MGS4 was also the hyped-to-hell series debut on PS3, and didn't come even close to matching the correlating hyped-to-hell series debut on PS2 (MGS2).  Had it been multiplatform it might have though (like DMC4 matching DMC1).

If MGS5 is a PS3 exclusive, it won't match MGS3 either.

Guess we'll never know, as I'm going to assume the series will remain multiplatform at this point. Either way, the PlayStation fanbase isn't split in Japan either. If anything, it's LESS split their than anywhere else in the world, so I stand by the initial point. If it was split in Japan, the JRPGs on the 360 would have performed significantly better.

Who said it went to 360?  It went to DS/PSP.



jarrod on 29 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:
jarrod said:
CGI-Quality said:

Let's take a look at something, if the PS fanbase is completely "split", why did MGS4 sell MORE than MGS3? 

It didn't in Japan.  MGS4 was also the hyped-to-hell series debut on PS3, and didn't come even close to matching the correlating hyped-to-hell series debut on PS2 (MGS2).  Had it been multiplatform it might have though (like DMC4 matching DMC1).

If MGS5 is a PS3 exclusive, it won't match MGS3 either.

Guess we'll never know, as I'm going to assume the series will remain multiplatform at this point. Either way, the PlayStation fanbase isn't split in Japan either. If anything, it's LESS split their than anywhere else in the world, so I stand by the initial point. If it was split in Japan, the JRPGs on the 360 would have performed significantly better.

Who said it went to 360?  It went to DS/PSP.

The argument spawned from a comment that said: "The PlayStation fanbase has been split between the PS3 and 360". In Japan, this isn't correct, the place YOU mentioned.

I wasn't seriously asking, it's a figure of speech.  Which might not come across so well in text, sorry.

I brought the conversation back to Japan since that's most on topic, but I don't think it's really off the mark to extrapolate that PS3's more limited market is a worldwide phenomenon.  Loved PS2 franchises just aren't hitting the same benchmarks on PS3 alone, anywhere really.



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BladeOfGod on 29 December 2009
Inigo13 said:
BladeOfGod said:
bmmb1 said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Inigo13 said:
Demotruk said:
BladeOfGod said:
wow, people are really overhyping NSMBW sales. 30 million my ass. If NSMB DS couldnt sell that much what chances does Wii version have with 2 times smaller userbase. I think NSMBW will sell 15m-17m worldwide, about 2m more than FF13

Wii is tracking on par with DS, and Mario Kart Wii massively outdid Mario Kart DS.

 

And MKWii being bundled with wheel controller has nothing to do with it

Excitebots is also bundled with the Wheel controller, so there goes that theory.

Excitebots brand is much lees powerfull than Mario brand and it had much less comercials on TV, so there goes that theory

And with that reply, it seems you do actually realize why Mario Kart Wii sells - and it has nothing to do with a plastic wheel.

it sells because of brand power AND wheel controller

Well maybe they should package that wheel controller in with Final Fantasy XIII in the West - it's gonna need it to reach your outrageous projections!

That argument is so strong and makes so much sence that i am speechless now

I'm sure.  By your logic, plastic wheels somehow boosts sales, so...

I may be wrong but reading his responses it seems to me he thinks the plastic wheel bundled with Mario Kart Wii (and Excitebots...) is actually a motion controller, not just a piece of plastic. Note that he keeps calling it "wheel controller" and in one post says "New innovative motion controller + the strongest brand in gaming and lots of ads= Good sales".

wasn't that pretty obvious?

You do realize that its just a piece of plastic, right? The wiimote is the motion controller, and everyone with a Wii already has that.

The wiimote? i was talking about that wheel that was bundled with MK Wii



Darth Tigris on 29 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Hero_time88 said:
Darth Tigris said:
Ok, I haven't read this whole thread (its currently 411 posts long!!!!!), but here are my thoughts and observations about this (as stated in the news story comments):

1) Excellent sales for FFXIII and the PS3 coming out of Japan. Good job to all involved.

2) How much more would the game have sold had they released a 360 version? Easily 500k+. I still would like to know why it was not released on the 360 in Japan, but we'll probably never know. Regardless, it would've possibly made this the best selling FF release on launch since FFVII and that would've been HUGE. Their loss.

3) If all of us were completely honest, then we would admit that this being the PS3's single best launch ever is not remotely close to being a surprise. There will never be another game on the system more highly anticipated or hyped in Japan. This was the one and it looks like it delivered.

4) And I hate for this to sound negative, but it's just an observation. This is yet another example of a hugely popular PS1-PS2 franchise that failed to sell near as much as previous iterations have. This is more evidence that the PS fanbase is now split between the PS3 and 360, so it wouldn't be any surprise if most classic PS series do not sell near as much on the PS3. For examples, see MGS, R&C and GTA sales; expect similar patterns with GT and GoW.

.....

I lol´d

I can understand why too. Let's take a look at something, if the PS fanbase is completely "split", why did MGS4 sell MORE than MGS3? Why will GOWIII probably have the biggest opening for a GOW title since the series first launched? Ratchet games this gen haven't really performed that much worse than past Ratchet games, and considering the userbase differences, Tools of Destruction performed on par with past games.

The one that's the kicker is GTA, and the game would have performed just fine as a PS3 exclusive. So that last paragraph is quite flawed.

Oooookay, was I naive for thinking that I would be treated fairly here?  Maybe so.  Maybe so . . .

I never stated that the PS fanbase is split 'evenly'.  But its a fact that there are many PS and PS2 owners that are now 360 owners.  Many are PS3 owners as well.  That's all I meant.

Anyway, while MGS4 did sell more than MGS3, it sold less than MGS1 and 2.  MGS3 (the best in the series, imo) suffered from a negative reaction to MGS2 and being released a month after GTA:SA.  It should've sold much better, but I blame that on those that didn't buy it.

You can't say for sure about GoWIII because its not out yet, but the previous games had between 72-77% of its sales from NA, and that is not the PS3's strongest region.  So why would this one blow away the sales of the previous games?  If you are personally excited about it, that's great.  But it doesn't change the facts that I used to come to my conclusion.

As far as my beloved R&C (that and Splinter Cell were my fav series last gen), if you look right here on VGC, you will see that the PS3 games have not sold as well as the PS2 games (not including Deadlocked, which was not an R&C game exactly).

As for GTA, even though you feel GTAIV would've sold fine (are you saying 'near as much as'?) as a PS3 exclusive, it wasn't.  That's all speculative.  The reality is that it was released as a multiplatform game and had most of its sales on the 360.  And though you may say that GTA wasn't a PS series, the overwhelming majority of its sales were on the PS2, not the Xbox.  It wasn't even close.

If you detect any animosity toward the PS or its games in those comments, then I don't know what else to do for you.  I'm being as objective as possible here.



bmmb1 on 29 December 2009
BladeOfGod said:
Inigo13 said:
BladeOfGod said:
bmmb1 said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Inigo13 said:
Demotruk said:
BladeOfGod said:
wow, people are really overhyping NSMBW sales. 30 million my ass. If NSMB DS couldnt sell that much what chances does Wii version have with 2 times smaller userbase. I think NSMBW will sell 15m-17m worldwide, about 2m more than FF13

Wii is tracking on par with DS, and Mario Kart Wii massively outdid Mario Kart DS.

 

And MKWii being bundled with wheel controller has nothing to do with it

Excitebots is also bundled with the Wheel controller, so there goes that theory.

Excitebots brand is much lees powerfull than Mario brand and it had much less comercials on TV, so there goes that theory

And with that reply, it seems you do actually realize why Mario Kart Wii sells - and it has nothing to do with a plastic wheel.

it sells because of brand power AND wheel controller

Well maybe they should package that wheel controller in with Final Fantasy XIII in the West - it's gonna need it to reach your outrageous projections!

That argument is so strong and makes so much sence that i am speechless now

I'm sure.  By your logic, plastic wheels somehow boosts sales, so...

I may be wrong but reading his responses it seems to me he thinks the plastic wheel bundled with Mario Kart Wii (and Excitebots...) is actually a motion controller, not just a piece of plastic. Note that he keeps calling it "wheel controller" and in one post says "New innovative motion controller + the strongest brand in gaming and lots of ads= Good sales".

wasn't that pretty obvious?

You do realize that its just a piece of plastic, right? The wiimote is the motion controller, and everyone with a Wii already has that.

The wiimote? i was talking about that wheel that was bundled with MK Wii

Yes understood. But what it seems you don't understand is that the wheel bundled with MK Wii is not a controller, it is just a round piece of plastic - the wheel is not a controller in any way.



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johnsobas on 29 December 2009

it would have been interesting if they had a 360 version in Japan, retailers would have had a hell of a time trying to guess how much it would sell on 360. More than likely they would undership it on 360.



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BladeOfGod on 30 December 2009
bmmb1 said:
BladeOfGod said:
Inigo13 said:
BladeOfGod said:
bmmb1 said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Kenology said:
BladeOfGod said:
Inigo13 said:
Demotruk said:
BladeOfGod said:
wow, people are really overhyping NSMBW sales. 30 million my ass. If NSMB DS couldnt sell that much what chances does Wii version have with 2 times smaller userbase. I think NSMBW will sell 15m-17m worldwide, about 2m more than FF13

Wii is tracking on par with DS, and Mario Kart Wii massively outdid Mario Kart DS.

 

And MKWii being bundled with wheel controller has nothing to do with it

Excitebots is also bundled with the Wheel controller, so there goes that theory.

Excitebots brand is much lees powerfull than Mario brand and it had much less comercials on TV, so there goes that theory

And with that reply, it seems you do actually realize why Mario Kart Wii sells - and it has nothing to do with a plastic wheel.

it sells because of brand power AND wheel controller

Well maybe they should package that wheel controller in with Final Fantasy XIII in the West - it's gonna need it to reach your outrageous projections!

That argument is so strong and makes so much sence that i am speechless now

I'm sure.  By your logic, plastic wheels somehow boosts sales, so...

I may be wrong but reading his responses it seems to me he thinks the plastic wheel bundled with Mario Kart Wii (and Excitebots...) is actually a motion controller, not just a piece of plastic. Note that he keeps calling it "wheel controller" and in one post says "New innovative motion controller + the strongest brand in gaming and lots of ads= Good sales".

wasn't that pretty obvious?

You do realize that its just a piece of plastic, right? The wiimote is the motion controller, and everyone with a Wii already has that.

The wiimote? i was talking about that wheel that was bundled with MK Wii

Yes understood. But what it seems you don't understand is that the wheel bundled with MK Wii is not a controller, it is just a round piece of plastic - the wheel is not a controller in any way.

You controll your character with the wheel which makes it a controller.