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mrstickball on 16 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
mrstickball said:
darthdevidem01 said:
dolemit3 said:
ioi said:
mrstickball said:
darthdevidem01 said:
ioi said:
Yes, if i were Namco I'd be looking to release the next one as a PS3/Wii multiplat, maybe sell 300k on PS3 and 175k on Wii or something like that to get close to 500k total.

Exactly!!

in fact the next FF should be multiplat like this too

Why should the Wii get preference on a Tales multiplat? It'd probably make more sense on a PS3/X360 Tales multiplat, as you could use the same resources, as well as the fact that Vesperia on 360 has sold similarly to what both Wii Tales games will likely end up at.

I'm primarly stating this due to dev resources, rather than anything else. A true multi-plat would be very interesting, and if the development costs weren't too high, you could probably get a Tales game back up to >500k.

9m userbase vs 1.2m userbase?

9m userbase that cares nothing about Tales.

not after Dragon Quest 10

Who says DQX will come out before the next Tales? Who says that the DQ fans will augment other RPGs? I'm not saying those are certanties, but a developer has to rely on what they know.

I certainly understand the user base argument, however, I am trying to think about the cost(s) of developing a game for the PS3 and then porting to the Wii. From what we've seen, it takes a considerable re-write to port a game from the PS3 to the Wii, whereas going from the PS3 to the 360 is much more cost-effective.

Since that is the case, wouldn't it make more sense to spend less money on porting, and see close to similar results? Vesperia on 360 sold >200,000 units in Japan, which was within 5% of ToS:DONTW. Had Vesperia came out first, it may have even outsold DOTNW.

Of course, this may be speculative. We don't know how multi-plat JRPGs do in Japan quite yet. If the X360/PS3 multi-plats are any indicaiton, then they do very well (as we've seen PS3/X360 multis do very well on all formats).

 

Many points you make are correct

my main argmen with DQ10 is that it brings the JRPG fan base onto the wii, so basically Tales will have a much better chance of selling more due to a potential fan base on the console

That assumes that the DQ10 audience will flock to other RPGs. Has DQIX bolstered sales for other JRPGs, or have they stayed similar? The RPGs that I've seen that should have seen increases (like FF Gaiden) did not, from what I see. I may be wrong, but it doesn't look like DQIX helped the DS, so why should one magically assume that users will suddenly shift their console of choice for JRPGs from the PS3 to the Wii?



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ClaudeLv250 on 16 December 2009

I was hoping Graces would sell more like last gen Tales and not like...well, current gen Tales. Maybe Namco will develop a real strategy like they had on the PS2, instead of making 7 games and throwing them on every platform on the market. Either way, I'll be satisfied if they bring it over here.

Wii almost 100k over PS3. It's a shame crazzy was (re)permabanned, I'd like to see him try to spin this.

I don't see FF13 beating NSMBWii. I wonder how SE feels about this.



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PakChiuCheng on 16 December 2009

LOL at Koei Tecmo for the abysmal sales of Samurai Warriors 3.

Should have made it for the HD Twins.

Now they are just gonna use the Wii game and port it to the HD Twins to attempt to cash in and the graphics are gonna be fugly.



Arius Dion on 16 December 2009
PakChiuCheng said:
LOL at Koei Tecmo for the abysmal sales of Samurai Warriors 3.

Should have made it for the HD Twins.

Now they are just gonna use the Wii game and port it to the HD Twins to attempt to cash in and the graphics are gonna be fugly.

So tell me, are you an alt account or just new around here? You may find yourself muted soon for this behavior.



Bet between Slimbeast and Arius Dion about Wii sales 2009:


If the Wii sells less than 20 million in 2009 (as defined by VGC sales between week ending 3d Jan 2009 to week ending 4th Jan 2010) Slimebeast wins and get to control Arius Dion's sig for 1 month.

If the Wii sells more than 20 million in 2009 (as defined above) Arius Dion wins and gets to control Slimebeast's sig for 1 month.

MANUELF on 16 December 2009

Now I find impossible for FFXIII to ever be over the LT of NSMBWii



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kopstudent89 on 16 December 2009

^^ even gundam had a rough start on the PS3. I do agree though it would've been better on the PS3 for KOEI



mrstickball on 16 December 2009
Soriku said:
@mrstickball

Because the RPG fanbase on DS was established long ago before DQ IX was released?

That may be true. If that is the case, then why do we expect the Wii to suddenly get an RPG fanbase after DQX? It seems that I keep seeing excuses for a particular user base thats not in Japan on the Wii right now, despite the fact there are 9 million users of the console.

The fact is, the Wii has as much of an RPG fanbase as it will ever have, with or without Dragon Quest X. That is why I've advocated DQX on the DS as we know the DS has a proven track record with mega-RPGs, while the Wii has seen mixed success, at best. The only two valid RPG systems this gen have been the PSP and the DS, with the PS3 a distant 3rd.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Khuutra on 16 December 2009
mrstickball said:
Soriku said:
@mrstickball

Because the RPG fanbase on DS was established long ago before DQ IX was released?

That may be true. If that is the case, then why do we expect the Wii to suddenly get an RPG fanbase after DQX? It seems that I keep seeing excuses for a particular user base thats not in Japan on the Wii right now, despite the fact there are 9 million users of the console.

The fact is, the Wii has as much of an RPG fanbase as it will ever have, with or without Dragon Quest X. That is why I've advocated DQX on the DS as we know the DS has a proven track record with mega-RPGs, while the Wii has seen mixed success, at best. The only two valid RPG systems this gen have been the PSP and the DS, with the PS3 a distant 3rd.

...Do you count Monster Hunter in this conversation, or....?



mrstickball on 16 December 2009
Khuutra said:
mrstickball said:
Soriku said:
@mrstickball

Because the RPG fanbase on DS was established long ago before DQ IX was released?

That may be true. If that is the case, then why do we expect the Wii to suddenly get an RPG fanbase after DQX? It seems that I keep seeing excuses for a particular user base thats not in Japan on the Wii right now, despite the fact there are 9 million users of the console.

The fact is, the Wii has as much of an RPG fanbase as it will ever have, with or without Dragon Quest X. That is why I've advocated DQX on the DS as we know the DS has a proven track record with mega-RPGs, while the Wii has seen mixed success, at best. The only two valid RPG systems this gen have been the PSP and the DS, with the PS3 a distant 3rd.

...Do you count Monster Hunter in this conversation, or....?

Yes, and that is exactly my point:

Tales apologists (are) apologizing for ToG sales as being the fault of a userbase, still stating that there will be this magical influx of RPG gamers to the Wii when DQX comes. I believe that is wrong for the exact reason that Monster Hunte 3 did very, very well. On the other hand, other, lower-end RPGs have done either mixed or bad, so it makes me believe that there is an RPG base on the Wii, but they are only caring about certain titles, rather than like on the DS or PSP where titles tend to have a higher likelihood of doing well.

If MH3 can do very well, and ToG can do poorly, what does that say?



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

Khuutra on 16 December 2009
mrstickball said:
Khuutra said:

...Do you count Monster Hunter in this conversation, or....?

Yes, and that is exactly my point:

Tales apologists (are) apologizing for ToG sales as being the fault of a userbase, still stating that there will be this magical influx of RPG gamers to the Wii when DQX comes. I believe that is wrong for the exact reason that Monster Hunte 3 did very, very well. On the other hand, other, lower-end RPGs have done either mixed or bad, so it makes me believe that there is an RPG base on the Wii, but they are only caring about certain titles, rather than like on the DS or PSP where titles tend to have a higher likelihood of doing well.

If MH3 can do very well, and ToG can do poorly, what does that say?

What, are you seriously asing or is this rhetorical?