bdbdbd said:
@Yushire: Wii Music isn't low quality, if that's what you imply. Wii Music is a game in Wii series and high in quality. It should be closing 20 million by now. The games problem was the content in it and its complexity.
Maybe Wii Music sold what it sold because of the popularity of Wii series, but with 2,5 million copies, the effect of popularity seems to be more in lines with marginal sales.
Zelda is pretty far from being a mainstream title, just like 3D Mario games.
Why do Nintendo games sell and why are they popular? Answer me this. Why don't other publishers make games that are popular?
Now, why should game companies in the west have a hint about "retro games revival", when Japan is walking the frontline of the matter. After NSMB Wii, it's really hard not to see what happening. But, they likely say "there's retro games revival" and keep on pretending nothing has happened. Just look at Detroit. What the western devs are doing, is called Detroit decease.
And the whole "retro games revival" isn't about retro gaming at all, but the "modern games" going away from what made the games fun for people in the first place.
The western devs aren't interested in "retro games" because they would need to do something different from what they are used to and are unwilling to do. It's so funny seeing "only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo systems", when this is actually just mirroring the core markets own problems to Wii and the new audience.
Whether you want the core market to crash or not, it's still going to happen.
And, the arcade experience is in the online multiplayer. Obviously, the devs don't seem to be noticing it, judging by how "epic" and "cinematic" they want their games to be.
@WereKitten: What you say is true and i brought up the food and clothes examples because of their absurdity.
If we use the logic Yushire implies, then food and clothes are indeed selling because they are popular. Popularity is always a result of something, it's not caused by its own right. |
Its funny that old school gamers still longing for the so called glory days of gaming even its obvious that they left gaming not gaming left them. The elusive retro gamers was just a myth, if so, NSMB Wii could beat MW2 right now in only its first month but alas, it didnt happen. In Japan, yes... but in NA and Europe if not for the "shortage" just as like Nintendo did with Wii Fit and the Wii itself the game wouldnt sell. This artificial shortage whether intentional or not makes the game sells since the game was one of a kind this generation. Thats why Nintendo wont make games anything like this again. The novelty will lost if Nintendo similar games like NSMB Wii though NSMB Wii needs a sequel to make NSMB Wii have longer and more stages but after the sequel Nintendo should push the abort button after that.
Wii Music was debatable so I wont discuss this topic further since it will lead us arguing and circling opinions just only for one game. But just for all you to know I bought it I played it thats the only I can say on this.
About Nintendo games popularity, O RLY. Asides form Mario, what Nintendo franchise that was as popular than Mario? EXACTLY. I betcha people will line up for the new starfox, Kirby, F Zero, Balloon fight and Ice climbers. *sarcasm* Retro gaming died for a reason I prefer the arcade experience and less texts and cinemas but sadly thats Malstrom opinions that was right. For you bdbdbd and Malstrom and other people that left gaming because they dont like change get over with it. Nintendo wouldnt back for you Nintendo only did NSMB Wii because that game was one of a kind this generation no game can surpass it. It doesnt mean retro gaming was back, its odd that you retro gamers mock the core gamers even in reality you are the core gamers that gaming industry left off because you dont like change since the PS generation change the game used to play with save states and twindling the controllers.
Lets sum this up:
arcade bins and PC gamers are the core gamers of the NES generation
Nintendo and SEGA fanboys are the core gamers of the PS genration
PS360 and PC gamers are the core gamers of this generation
Anyway, heres one of those retro gamers and he left gaming long time ago. I DIDNT and he predicted this video game crash even since Malstrom did and heres a quote fro his article:
http://www.cracked.com/article_15732_life-after-video-game-crash.html
There are two sides to that coin, though. Yes, there's a new generation of gaming kids out there. But the thing is, the original video game generation is growing old. I know, because I'm one of them, an Original Gamer. I owned Pong as a toddler, an Atari 2600 in grade school and an NES in 1987. I've logged hours on the Sega Genesis, the Atari Jaguar, the NEC Turbographx 16, the SNES, a Sega Saturn, a 3D0, a Sony Playstation, a Casio Fungiver 5000, a 4-bit Toyota Gamemobile... you get the idea.
But I'm 30 now, worried with mortgages and job stress and coffin shopping. My peers all have their own children, the household toy budget spent on the offspring, not the adults.
I know some of us still play games at 30, studies say about 25% of gamers are now over 35. But can you play games at 40 or 50 without looking like an intellectually-stunted manchild, there in your sweater vest, the control pad tangled in your long, gray, drool-soaked beard as the creeping hand of death stalks your every thought?
We Original Gamers, the hard core, bought every machine that came on the market for two decades. But for a whole lot of us OG's, the game consoles we own now will be the last we'll ever buy. There are millions of us, and it's just a matter of time.
And I mean it's literally a matter of time. I'll pop in a DVD because a movie only requires two hours from my busy schedule of work and home repairs and chasing kids off my lawn. Getting to the end of a video game, however, requires hours upon hours of play. Not because the story is hours long, mind you, but because getting through each scene requires practice and repetition and repetition and repetition, all in the hopes of seeing that exploding Death Star cutscene at the end.
A 10 year-old can come home from school in the afternoon and devote the rest of the day to the task of memorizing the exact sequence of finger twitches that will get him past the dark forces of the Empire. A college kid can do the same, often while high. Most employed and married adults cannot. If I'm right about this, the gaming industry is about to face its first real exodus of existing customers, a hard-core group they've relied upon for decades to snap up every new box on the shelf. We're leaving, because while we have grown up, gaming, in many ways, has not.
I know some of you Nintendo fans were screaming at your monitor in the last section, saying the $249 Nintendo Wii is the low-cost answer to the affordability problem. And its "pick up and play" games are ideal for casual gamers.
The problem is Nintendo is still so neglectful of hard-core gamers that it borders on hostility. It's hard to find a game that doesn't star a cartoon character, and the games that don't (like Red Steel) tend to be half-assed efforts based on the self-fulfilling prophesy that "true" gamers won't want to flail around with the Wiimote.
Many people will ask what about NSMB Wii? Did everyone knows that NSMB Wii was one shot deal and can never done again. The novelty will wear off if theuy try to mimic it. Its over core gamers whether old or new the casuals are taking over and nothing will stop it.
And one quote from him:
What will it look like? I for one am on record predicting that a massive expansion of the MMORPG market is on the horizon at some point, a new form of online play that relies less on competition and more on MySpace-style human interaction. But that's just me. As for what will fill the void in the mean time, well, no one thing has to fill it. Do you honestly think there are fewer entertainment options now than the last time gaming went out of style in 1983?
Seems he thinks exactly as I am on facebook games even he predicted it even 3 years before it happened.
