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darthdevidem01 said:

No its not different

I also say what I feel & I said that

thats not base don pachter, my GOW3 opinion has always been the same

The Uncharted 2 sales in America have definetely been overtracked, each sale lost in this crucial period limits LTD sales

for a game like Uncharted 2 the first 6 weeks (especially when they are int he holiday) are very very important....this is no pokemon

your looking way to deep into it now

Im not talking about your GOW prediction. This threads about pachter claiming UC2 sold 650k in the states through november and you saying this means it wont sell over 3 million copies.

Even if VGC is overtracking, lets think about this like logical people. Pachter touts NPD numbers through november, We are sitting on 2 weeks of data he isnt referring to in the holiday period. So lets say 50k per week. That brings us to 750k. This doesnt count other countries in the americas, so lets add another 75k. That gives us 825k to this point if we are using NPD as the holy grail of numbers and then tacking on two weeks of VG charts and the 10% other americas bump, right?

So lets call it a split then and go halfsies between VGC data and NPD data for America, so roughly 880k. So, youve got 880k assuming VGchartz overtracked, in the states. A title which sells considerably better in Europe also gearing up for the holidays and japan clearing 100k, in accordance with famitsu and MC 50k plus first week......so we are talking about 2.3 million to start 2010.

Which means for UC2 to sell 3 million copies it would have to sell slightly above 13k.......per week........worldwide......for 52 weeks. You saw numbers, didnt look into it and just starting typing. Im not looking too much into it, i just like numbers and trends, which i why i am amember of this site, i like to back up my posts with sound reasoning.

Now if you dont agree with my reasoning on 10% and 2 december weeks then i dont see how you can even bother using VGchartz numbers for your predictions, we have to have a constant and single source for our data or predictions are worthless.



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nordlead said:
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
psrock said:
lol at that sentence " it still pales in comparison to the 2.6 million units sold of Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune".

Please Darth, stop posting crap like this especially when they have no idea how game sales work.

no I will continue to post crap like this as its pachters statement that I have higlighted, not anything else

This thread is about pachters statement primarily & about the website & their article after that

comment on the primary aim of the thread (which is highlighted in the thread title) or leave

Well the fact pachter is using up through Nov NPD results for 650k, we have 2 extra holiday weeks of sales on VGchartz plus all the other amricas, not just the states, i think your overeacting to his statements. Since UC has stronger sales in Others for the first game and thus the sequal, th enumbers look pretty good.

At worst case scenario, taking into account VGChartz being 10% high and NPD being 5% low of reality, VGChartz is "overtracked" by 20k In reality, VGChartz tries to get as close as possible to reality, but has a margin of error of 10% for recent sales, and tries to get closer to 5% for LTD sales. So, I expect we'll see minor corrections here and there as more sales information comes in. In general I would expect those corrections to bring the game down in sales, possibly by up to 100k. Not a lot by any means considering the game will break 1m in America.

Yep, it's just darth uses big words, for not so big situations. Overtracked, by not that much, as title suggests.



psrock said:
My god just because you can't put together a decent prediction, doesn't mean you get to hate on Uncharted.

You expected the game to sell less than the first one, right?


I'm hating on uncharted?

my god this is getting ridiculous now Psrock

You do know what hate means right



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nordlead said:
psrock said:
My god just because you can't put together a decent prediction, doesn't mean you get to hate on Uncharted.

You expected the game to sell less than the first one, right?


I did, mostly due to bundling of the 1st. I figured Uncharted 2 would do 2-2.5m units. This was mostly based on previously massively hyped PS3 games that sold "good" due to bundling but the sequels did poorly. Obviously I expected a better performance by Uncharted 2 than Resistance 2 or Motorstorm: Pacific Rift.

lol, you too. I was actually talking to Darth who has been hating on this game for no reason.

I really question this NPD, not because of Uncharted, but Forza 3 just ot even showing up. I know they will eventually fix these issues down the line, but it's hard to imagine Uncharted sold just 113k last month.



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PS3 owners don't buy core games confirmed?

But seriously, Uncharted 1 sold over the course of like 2 years. Wait for this game to sell below 25k WW a week before you cry foul.



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psrock said:

lol at that sentence " it still pales in comparison to the 2.6 million units sold of Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune".

Please Darth, stop posting crap like this especially when they have no idea how game sales work.

 

 

BTW:

Uncharted Drake Fortunes = 600k NPD LTD

Uncharted 2 = more than 650k

vgchartz uncharted = 1.18 million

 

NPD doesn't include bundles.



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steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
 

No its not different

I also say what I feel & I said that

thats not base don pachter, my GOW3 opinion has always been the same

The Uncharted 2 sales in America have definetely been overtracked, each sale lost in this crucial period limits LTD sales

for a game like Uncharted 2 the first 6 weeks (especially when they are int he holiday) are very very important....this is no pokemon

your looking way to deep into it now

Im not talking about your GOW prediction. This threads about pachter claiming UC2 sold 650k in the states through november and you saying this means it wont sell over 3 million copies.

Even if VGC is overtracking, lets think about this like logical people. Pachter touts NPD numbers through november, We are sitting on 2 weeks of data he isnt referring to in the holiday period. So lets say 50k per week. That brings us to 750k. This doesnt count other countries in the americas, so lets add another 75k. That gives us 825k to this point if we are using NPD as the holy grail of numbers and then tacking on two weeks of VG charts and the 10% other americas bump, right?

So lets call it a split then and go halfsies between VGC data and NPD data for America, so roughly 880k. So, youve got 880k assuming VGchartz overtracked, in the states. A title which sells considerably better in Europe also gearing up for the holidays and japan clearing 100k, in accordance with famitsu and MC 50k plus first week......so we are talking about 2.3 million to start 2010.

Which means for UC2 to sell 3 million copies it would have to sell slightly above 13k.......per week........worldwide......for 52 weeks. You saw numbers, didnt look into it and just starting typing. Im not looking too much into it, i just like numbers and trends, which i why i am amember of this site, i like to back up my posts with sound reasoning.

Now if you dont agree with my reasoning on 10% and 2 december weeks then i dont see how you can even bother using VGchartz numbers for your predictions, we have to have a constant and single source for our data or predictions are worthless.

And why will it do over 13K per week?

Sequels are much more front loaded & this one won't have bundles

1. I have said is that I feel the game is overtracked

2. I have said people predicting 3 - 4 Million are way out

3. My predictions were at 2 - 2.5 Million

I know who is closer, there was not really any need to go into so much detail

You think I overreacted, you were wrong



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@darthdevidem01 - you predictions seem more believable than pachter's, maybe you should have his job lol, that guy talks absolute rubbish, Uncharted 2 is doing very well for being out for a little time on PS3, most IP's (unLess they are a monster like FF or COD) are lucky to get to over 1 million never mind anything else.



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psrock said:
nordlead said:
psrock said:
My god just because you can't put together a decent prediction, doesn't mean you get to hate on Uncharted.

You expected the game to sell less than the first one, right?


I did, mostly due to bundling of the 1st. I figured Uncharted 2 would do 2-2.5m units. This was mostly based on previously massively hyped PS3 games that sold "good" due to bundling but the sequels did poorly. Obviously I expected a better performance by Uncharted 2 than Resistance 2 or Motorstorm: Pacific Rift.

lol, you too. I was actually talking to Darth who has been hating on this game for no reason.

I really question this NPD, not because of Uncharted, but Forza 3 just ot even showing up. I know they will eventually fix these issues down the line, but it's hard to imagine Uncharted sold just 113k last month.

Once again

you need to learn the meaning of hate & then judge who is hating what

 



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outlawauron said:
psrock said:

lol at that sentence " it still pales in comparison to the 2.6 million units sold of Uncharted: Drake’s Fortune".

Please Darth, stop posting crap like this especially when they have no idea how game sales work.

 

 

BTW:

Uncharted Drake Fortunes = 600k NPD LTD

Uncharted 2 = more than 650k

vgchartz uncharted = 1.18 million

 

NPD doesn't include bundles.

Which tells you how great Uncharted 2 is doing.

Already outsold Uncharted without bundlle in :

1. US

2. UK

In a couple months.

I know we wish it would do even Assassin's Creed numbers, but for some reasons Sony's own games never seems to get to taht level yet. And I really can't put a reason into why, but compared to other Sony games, it's doing great.



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