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Kantor on 14 December 2009
FastFord58 said:
Being exclusive is holding Naughty Dog back from the greatness they deserve.

Naughty Dog is first party. They have no say in the matter.

Also, the game wouldn't be as good without Sony funding and platform focus, and besides, who would publish it?



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darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
Kantor said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Kantor said:
Let's settle this.

You said 2-2.5 million. Midpoint 2.25 million.

We said 3-4 million. Midpoint 3.5 million.

1.25 million difference.

Which means 2.875 million is the midpoint. Not 3 million.

Yeah I don't think it'll do 2.875 Million unless its bundled heavily

But we have decided to not take the average of my range as your range is larger

We will need an equal range in order to take an average of both ranges & compare them

for now we will take the high point of my range versus the mid point of your range, as your range was double my range in the first place

That makes no sense whatsoever.

You chose your range.

If we must do this, fine, I predicted 3.5-4 million.

So, if it sells over 3 million, I was closer.

And it will sell over 3 million.

Ok that will allow for more complementary ranges.

It will have to sell over 3 Million in order to satisfy your faction.

You cannot claim it will sell over 3 Million, you have no evidence for that statement

now please remind me of your God Of War 3 prediction, I wish to make a succinctly symbiotic mutually fair range for them too, that will mean we can be more clear on our predictions in the future.



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steverhcp02 on 14 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:

This is the first ive heard of two prediction sets in this thread.

Youre really bad at debating, you keep changing the variables to help your case.

The people that said 3.5-4 will be right if it reaches that range. The people that said 3-3.5 will be right if it reaches that range youll be right if it stays between 2-2.5

How on earth youve been able to justify in your own thoughts and actually argue that you prediction of 2-2.5 can be right if it sells 3 million is beyond my comprehension level.

Thats because you haven't quite grasped the fundamentals of this argument.

We have 2 ranges so we must have a mutually symbiotic average in order to make sure it is fair all accross the board, several variable & researches have been used to come to the averages we came too

Now kantor claims 3.5 - 4 Million is your range so we can take that as your sides range now.

It will need to sell over 3 Million to satisfy the opposing side & lead to their victory.

haha, right i dont grasp the fundamentals, okay.

Predictions are independant regardless, if you think it will sell 2-2.5 and it sells less or more youre wrong. If they say 3-4 and it sells less or more theyre wrong. You can be right or they can be right, it doesnt matter about the range because its YOUR prediction and THEIR prediction.

Kantor is just changing it to favor this debacle of logic youre using to shut you up, i believe.




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darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
FastFord58 said:
Being exclusive is holding Naughty Dog back from the greatness they deserve.

And your evidence is?

That can be said about 100% of the companies that work exclusively can it not?



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darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:
 

This is the first ive heard of two prediction sets in this thread.

Youre really bad at debating, you keep changing the variables to help your case.

The people that said 3.5-4 will be right if it reaches that range. The people that said 3-3.5 will be right if it reaches that range youll be right if it stays between 2-2.5

How on earth youve been able to justify in your own thoughts and actually argue that you prediction of 2-2.5 can be right if it sells 3 million is beyond my comprehension level.

Thats because you haven't quite grasped the fundamentals of this argument.

We have 2 ranges so we must have a mutually symbiotic average in order to make sure it is fair all accross the board, several variable & researches have been used to come to the averages we came too

Now kantor claims 3.5 - 4 Million is your range so we can take that as your sides range now.

It will need to sell over 3 Million to satisfy the opposing side & lead to their victory.

haha, right i dont grasp the fundamentals, okay.

Predictions are independant regardless, if you think it will sell 2-2.5 and it sells less or more youre wrong. If they say 3-4 and it sells less or more theyre wrong. You can be right or they can be right, it doesnt matter about the range because its YOUR prediction and THEIR prediction.

Kantor is just changing it to favor this debacle of logic youre using to shut you up, i believe.

YOu still do not understand the points, elements & variables involved here.

Predictions are independant however when we form a range & average it we must have a mutually beneficial symbiotic conclusion by which both sides have enough control, this matter is crucial in the future, I suggest you google it up.

finally don't use words like "shut you up" as people have been banned for that on VGChartz, so edit it, I'm not reporting you but someone else might and I don't want to see you banned.



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DaBuddahN on 14 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
Alic0004 said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
Well yes for a GOTY it underperformed in the US, but I don't think he is aware of the European numbers.
It also will have nice legs.

How should it have performed? I never understand this "underperformed" talk. Underperformed compared to what?

Better. It's a shooter, one of the best reviewed games of all time, hyped..... just better.

 

When we look at NPD numbers, UC2 barely out performs Borderlands (360) in the US. Not that, what you would expect from a GOTY winner and sequel to a very good exclusive game.

No. It isn't a shooter in the eyes of those who buy it, it wasn't even marketed as a shooter. So, since you can't tell me what expectations actually matter here, outside of Naughty Dog, the answer is it "underperformed" by standards of people on VG Chartz gaming forum.

Naughty Dog expects  to just sell 2.5mill copies total. The game is well on it's way to pass that. It performed BETTER than they expected. That's what I'll go by.

A shooter is a shooter. If GTA didn't have any shooter elements almost no one would buy it.

If ND expected to win several GOTY awards and only sell 2.5m copies, then they clearly had too low expectations.

Valve surely didn't release the possibly best shooter of the century just to barely break even.

GTA nor Uncharted are shooters. There's shooting in them, but there are not known as shooters, period!

As for Naughty Dog, how do you know what breaking even is or not? We don't know that. Also, predicting 2.5mill is in line with what the first one has done. It was a realistic prediction. It just so happens that Uncharted 2 ended up being one of the greatest games this gen has seen.Naughty Dog, you, me, nor anyone else could have predicted that to happen, let alone it getting GOTY.

That is why it will shatter their expectations.

Neither is Gears of War. It's a post-apocalyptic, squad based exploration game with sporadic gunfights.

Well, Gears is primarily shooting, unlike Uncharted or GTA. Not really comparable.

I don't know what you did in Uncharted 2, but I shot bad guys in the majority of the time.

I snuck up behind them and knocked them out, so I wouldn't feel like I was murdering hundreds of mercenaries in over their heads.  I did shooting when I had to.  And a lot of jumping and climbing, if memory serves.

Meaning that Uncharted isn't just a shooter. Thank you.

/discussion



zaMy on 14 December 2009
Neos said:
doesn't this mean it's overtracked?

No, he said 650 000 for USA. Americas on VGC is all north and south america.



steverhcp02 on 14 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:
darthdevidem01 said:
steverhcp02 said:
 

This is the first ive heard of two prediction sets in this thread.

Youre really bad at debating, you keep changing the variables to help your case.

The people that said 3.5-4 will be right if it reaches that range. The people that said 3-3.5 will be right if it reaches that range youll be right if it stays between 2-2.5

How on earth youve been able to justify in your own thoughts and actually argue that you prediction of 2-2.5 can be right if it sells 3 million is beyond my comprehension level.

Thats because you haven't quite grasped the fundamentals of this argument.

We have 2 ranges so we must have a mutually symbiotic average in order to make sure it is fair all accross the board, several variable & researches have been used to come to the averages we came too

Now kantor claims 3.5 - 4 Million is your range so we can take that as your sides range now.

It will need to sell over 3 Million to satisfy the opposing side & lead to their victory.

haha, right i dont grasp the fundamentals, okay.

Predictions are independant regardless, if you think it will sell 2-2.5 and it sells less or more youre wrong. If they say 3-4 and it sells less or more theyre wrong. You can be right or they can be right, it doesnt matter about the range because its YOUR prediction and THEIR prediction.

Kantor is just changing it to favor this debacle of logic youre using to shut you up, i believe.

YOu still do not understand the points, elements & variables involved here.

Predictions are independant however when we form a range & average it we must have a mutually beneficial symbiotic conclusion by which both sides have enough control, this matter is crucial in the future, I suggest you google it up.

finally don't use words like "shut you up" as people have been banned for that on VGChartz, so edit it, I'm not reporting you but someone else might and I don't want to see you banned.

We make predictions on what we think. Range isnt a common factor. By giving a range you are simply saying you feel it will sell more than the min and less than the max, the amount doesnt matter when the ranges do not cross, thats what i dont think you understand. Im not googling whatever term you just learned in school to apply to this because its irrelavent to the situation.

Either your prediction is in line and youre right or it sells between 2.5-3 million and no ones right or it sells between 3-4 million and the other group is right.




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darthdevidem01 on 14 December 2009
DaBuddahN said:
CGI-Quality said:
Alic0004 said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
Well yes for a GOTY it underperformed in the US, but I don't think he is aware of the European numbers.
It also will have nice legs.

How should it have performed? I never understand this "underperformed" talk. Underperformed compared to what?

Better. It's a shooter, one of the best reviewed games of all time, hyped..... just better.

 

When we look at NPD numbers, UC2 barely out performs Borderlands (360) in the US. Not that, what you would expect from a GOTY winner and sequel to a very good exclusive game.

No. It isn't a shooter in the eyes of those who buy it, it wasn't even marketed as a shooter. So, since you can't tell me what expectations actually matter here, outside of Naughty Dog, the answer is it "underperformed" by standards of people on VG Chartz gaming forum.

Naughty Dog expects  to just sell 2.5mill copies total. The game is well on it's way to pass that. It performed BETTER than they expected. That's what I'll go by.

A shooter is a shooter. If GTA didn't have any shooter elements almost no one would buy it.

If ND expected to win several GOTY awards and only sell 2.5m copies, then they clearly had too low expectations.

Valve surely didn't release the possibly best shooter of the century just to barely break even.

GTA nor Uncharted are shooters. There's shooting in them, but there are not known as shooters, period!

As for Naughty Dog, how do you know what breaking even is or not? We don't know that. Also, predicting 2.5mill is in line with what the first one has done. It was a realistic prediction. It just so happens that Uncharted 2 ended up being one of the greatest games this gen has seen.Naughty Dog, you, me, nor anyone else could have predicted that to happen, let alone it getting GOTY.

That is why it will shatter their expectations.

Neither is Gears of War. It's a post-apocalyptic, squad based exploration game with sporadic gunfights.

Well, Gears is primarily shooting, unlike Uncharted or GTA. Not really comparable.

I don't know what you did in Uncharted 2, but I shot bad guys in the majority of the time.

I snuck up behind them and knocked them out, so I wouldn't feel like I was murdering hundreds of mercenaries in over their heads.  I did shooting when I had to.  And a lot of jumping and climbing, if memory serves.

Meaning that Uncharted isn't just a shooter. Thank you.

/discussion

nope im not letting you ruin the chances of this thread getting to 200 posts

CONTINUE DISCUSSION



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DaBuddahN on 14 December 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
DaBuddahN said:
CGI-Quality said:
Alic0004 said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
CGI-Quality said:
Barozi said:
Well yes for a GOTY it underperformed in the US, but I don't think he is aware of the European numbers.
It also will have nice legs.

How should it have performed? I never understand this "underperformed" talk. Underperformed compared to what?

Better. It's a shooter, one of the best reviewed games of all time, hyped..... just better.

 

When we look at NPD numbers, UC2 barely out performs Borderlands (360) in the US. Not that, what you would expect from a GOTY winner and sequel to a very good exclusive game.

No. It isn't a shooter in the eyes of those who buy it, it wasn't even marketed as a shooter. So, since you can't tell me what expectations actually matter here, outside of Naughty Dog, the answer is it "underperformed" by standards of people on VG Chartz gaming forum.

Naughty Dog expects  to just sell 2.5mill copies total. The game is well on it's way to pass that. It performed BETTER than they expected. That's what I'll go by.

A shooter is a shooter. If GTA didn't have any shooter elements almost no one would buy it.

If ND expected to win several GOTY awards and only sell 2.5m copies, then they clearly had too low expectations.

Valve surely didn't release the possibly best shooter of the century just to barely break even.

GTA nor Uncharted are shooters. There's shooting in them, but there are not known as shooters, period!

As for Naughty Dog, how do you know what breaking even is or not? We don't know that. Also, predicting 2.5mill is in line with what the first one has done. It was a realistic prediction. It just so happens that Uncharted 2 ended up being one of the greatest games this gen has seen.Naughty Dog, you, me, nor anyone else could have predicted that to happen, let alone it getting GOTY.

That is why it will shatter their expectations.

Neither is Gears of War. It's a post-apocalyptic, squad based exploration game with sporadic gunfights.

Well, Gears is primarily shooting, unlike Uncharted or GTA. Not really comparable.

I don't know what you did in Uncharted 2, but I shot bad guys in the majority of the time.

I snuck up behind them and knocked them out, so I wouldn't feel like I was murdering hundreds of mercenaries in over their heads.  I did shooting when I had to.  And a lot of jumping and climbing, if memory serves.

Meaning that Uncharted isn't just a shooter. Thank you.

/discussion

nope im not letting you ruin the chances of this thread getting to 200 posts

CONTINUE DISCUSSION

:O So this was your plan all along Darth! I knew it! >_<; Creating controversy saying UC2 is over tracked!