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LordTheNightKnight on 11 December 2009
Incondite said:
I think by holding standards the third party companies who make games (and already hold themselves to these standards) won't have any issue and will be more inclined to produce games for the wii with a lower competition. Its really hard to sell a 3rd party game at $50 when there is 20 shovel-ware games to your 1 at $20.

I don't think so. I don't see people looking at Wii games, and looking at prices, but only when it comes to third parties. They look at what seems appealing to them. You make an appealing game, and people will buy it, even if a less appealing game costs less.



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Incondite on 11 December 2009

As someone who works retail, I see more people choose shovel-ware over good titles than I care to count just because of price... even after I advise them against it




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griffinA on 11 December 2009

"Martin Hollis, CEO, Zoonami:
To make a game that truly uses the potential of the Wii Remote requires several things.

Firstly you will need imagination. You must unlearn what you have learned and put away cynical thoughts such as "it is just a gimmick" or "buttons are better". This degree of open-mindedness is not easy to find.

Our industry is focused on incremental evolution of tried-and-tested mechanics, interactions and input devices. Our industry is focused inwards on itself, and on its most loyal followers.

Secondly you will need patience. To give an example today's button-based platform game relies on over twenty years of game development across the world. Your first Wii Remote game will not compete.

Thirdly you will need humility. You need humility because you will be making games for people who are unlike yourself. Therefore you will need to place their wishes above yours."

Best. Quote. Ever.



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ameratsu on 11 December 2009

These comments are definitely interesting, thanks for posting this tres.

The thing that stuck out for me is the wiimote implementation these guys talk about. The Zoonami CEO says "your first Wii remote game will not compete" while the Creative Director of Denki says "It's a real love-hate challenge to get the most out of the Wii Remote. You have to fake it big time to really make it work and no one else seems to fake it as well Nintendo."

There seems to be a significant challenge in getting the wiimote to work well, so I really wonder how that bodes not only for WM+ but also the Sonymote and Natal.



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LordTheNightKnight on 11 December 2009
Incondite said:
As someone who works retail, I see more people choose shovel-ware over good titles than I care to count just because of price... even after I advise them against it

Do they really say the price is why they do it?



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Demotruk on 11 December 2009
Incondite said:
As someone who works retail, I see more people choose shovel-ware over good titles than I care to count just because of price... even after I advise them against it

Are you sure you know which is the real shovelware though? For example, would you be as critical of "Carnival Games" as "Shrek's Carnival Craze"? One of these is not actually shovelware.



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SaviorX on 11 December 2009

You don't always have to use the Wiimote.

There is nothing that states the device is necessary. Classic controllers can be used; have a sticker on the game that says Classic Controller required.



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ameratsu on 11 December 2009
SaviorX said:
You don't always have to use the Wiimote.

There is nothing that states the device is necessary. Classic controllers can be used; have a sticker on the game that says Classic Controller required.

 

This is true, but The Wii remote control method is synonymous with the Wii. It's safe to say that all Wii owners have atleast one Wii remote, from which an unknown subset own Classic Controllers. Since it seems some developers are still struggling to use it as well as Nintendo, I'd argue that WM+ support from these devs wouldn't make any sense until they master use of the Wii Remote. By the sounds of it, this is no easy task.



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Metallicube on 11 December 2009

The dude at Zoonami hit the nail on the head.



.jayderyu on 11 December 2009

Love the hypocrisy all over the place.

"Can't stand the OS", So the PS2 OS was awesome?

"Not enough Graphical power", and your happy with the PS2?

"Too much shovel ware because of ease of development", PS2 had lots of shovel ware and it wasn't easy to develop for. Keep in mind that both the xbox and 360 were also praised for their ease of development, but no vast amounts of shovel ware.

"Retards don't buy non Nintendo games", Guitar Hero, EA Active, Carnival Games.

"Retards only buy casual", Guitar Hero & Brawl, Monster Hunter, Mega Man 9

"Wii input requires imagination", so what you don't have any?

"Wii has a low Return on Investment", that's because the game is shovelware or niche. Okami anyone? notice how well that did on PS2.

"Adult titles need to have realistic graphics." Sorry, but Blood does equal adult. http://www.gamespot.com/wii/action/sexypoker/index.html



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