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Yoshi-1up on 10 December 2009

@loves2splooge nice name LoL
but sorry to interrupt, if you build the pc right, it'll last just as long as the consoles do(5 years). Nowadays, building a gaming pc is very cheap. Games for HD consoles are usually $60, all pc games are $50 and under(except MW2 for some reason), and since i'm talking about pc gaming i'll be talking about Steam. Every so often games drop price dramaticly. I bought Mirror's Edge, Mass Effect, Zeno Clash, Bioshock etc from around $5-$10. And C'mon, the entire Valve Collection is only $99 BIG savings! plus it doesn't have you pay $50 a year for gold membership($250 or more if it lasts longer lol) PC gets better graphics, mostly free downloadable content for the games, you can also use the xbox controller if you don't like the keyboard/mouse setup.

I can build you an amazing pc for under $600. And that's for getting stuff all fancy. I can get you an mehlookin one that can play all the new games for $350. And if you think that's a lot more than buying a console, don't forget it's more than for gaming :P great investment



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shio on 10 December 2009
loves2splooge said:

Shio, how much did you spend on PC gaming hardware since 2005 (and you seem like a core PC gamer so I assume that you keep your rig up to date to play the latest stuff right on solid settings right?) If you don't mind answering. This will offer a good cost comparison with the Xbox 360. PC gamers always talk about how gaming rigs are cheap to build but rarely talk about the long-term costs of PC gaming (which is very important to consider because rigs have to be kept up to date and outright replaced after a certain while whereas in this gen, 360 and PS3 will have 6-7 years lifespan at least). And when I mean hardware, I'm talking about the rig(s), upgrades, gaming keyboards and mouse (if you use those instead of the standard stuff), etc.

I think we should leave monitors and HDTVs out of the equation because those have multiple uses outside of gaming. (And you can use the HDTV with PC gaming and the monitor for console gaming. I myself have been considering purchasing a 21-24" 1080p or more monitor because they are cheaper than similarly sized HDTVs and offer better resolution). You could argue that a desktop has use outside of gaming as well (of course though you don't need a gaming rig for everyday computer use. I could even keep my old P4 desktop for that until it eventually craps out. lol) but as someone who is a laptop user (and all my needs are met by the laptop sans playing the more demanding PC games), sell me on building a new desktop (which will only be used for gaming).

I bought a PC in early 2006 (just before the domination of Core Duos), without the monitor it pegged me at $850. Plus a new GPU last year for $150. A total of $1000.

In the last 12 months I bought over 40 PC games, for around $200 maybe.

How about you?



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r505Matt on 10 December 2009
shio said:
r505Matt said:

You completely missed the point of the original posts between shio and nightsurge. The point shio was trying to make was that PC gaming is cheaper than Xbox gaming. Part of that point was that for PC, you don't HAVE to buy a monitor because you can just hook it up to a TV. Nightsurge and I were saying about how that is silly, most people don't want to hook a PC up to their TV, and so would need to buy a monitor anyways; to which you responded "Well you can hook up to both, you just need a switch to go between them". Do you see how that makes no sense towards what we were talking about?

MOST CONSOLE GAMERS DON'T EVEN HAVE THEIR CONSOLES HOOKED TO HDTVS!!! So by your logic we should dismiss the fact that Xbox 360 supports HD resolution! If people have the option they can use it - PC gamers have the choice of hooking their PCs to HDTVs and not use a monitor, sit on the couch and use a gamepad. This is a trend that is happening more and more, and it allows PC gamers to choose where they play, how they play.

Dude, your argument is "X is irrelevant because most people don't use it", which shouldn't even be called an argument. So you say that it's better to pay to electric companies rather than pay for reneweable electric power? Get a grip.

Way to freak out. Not sure why you're so riled up about this. I'm not saying PC gamers don't have the choice to do that, you made it seem like you believed most PC gamers DO that, nothing about can. Your logic "Because PC gamers CAN hook up to a TV, let's pretend none of them have to buy monitors" which is silly. You should have mentioned how plenty of PC gamers have decent monitors already and don't need to buy new ones, or that you shouldn't even talk about monitors/tvs for gaming costs since they have so many other uses.

The irrelevant part was to the other guy (forgot his name already) just jumped into the conversation talking about how you could hook up to both a TV and monitor. What does that have to do with the cost of PC gaming? Nothing, so it's irrelevant.

Your first comment in caps, first, relax, it's a forum, no need to get all bent out of shape over it. Second, I don't know anyone that considers themselves a gamer and doesn't have at least a 720p TV. Now thats not really that important, it's quite possible that plenty of gamers don't, but to say 'most' is bold. I'd like to see your source on that information. It really seems like you, like the other guy, are now missing the point (your own point about cost, since that's where the monitor/TV thing came from).

Renewable electric power? No such thing. Renewable energy source? The only true renewable is solar, and we don't have a proper means to harvest it yet. Though fusion/fission research is the way to go, but it'll still be a long time until that's figured out, if ever. So yes, pay youre electric companies, it's your only choice.



r505Matt on 10 December 2009
shio said:
loves2splooge said:

Shio, how much did you spend on PC gaming hardware since 2005 (and you seem like a core PC gamer so I assume that you keep your rig up to date to play the latest stuff right on solid settings right?) If you don't mind answering. This will offer a good cost comparison with the Xbox 360. PC gamers always talk about how gaming rigs are cheap to build but rarely talk about the long-term costs of PC gaming (which is very important to consider because rigs have to be kept up to date and outright replaced after a certain while whereas in this gen, 360 and PS3 will have 6-7 years lifespan at least). And when I mean hardware, I'm talking about the rig(s), upgrades, gaming keyboards and mouse (if you use those instead of the standard stuff), etc.

I think we should leave monitors and HDTVs out of the equation because those have multiple uses outside of gaming. (And you can use the HDTV with PC gaming and the monitor for console gaming. I myself have been considering purchasing a 21-24" 1080p or more monitor because they are cheaper than similarly sized HDTVs and offer better resolution). You could argue that a desktop has use outside of gaming as well (of course though you don't need a gaming rig for everyday computer use. I could even keep my old P4 desktop for that until it eventually craps out. lol) but as someone who is a laptop user (and all my needs are met by the laptop sans playing the more demanding PC games), sell me on building a new desktop (which will only be used for gaming).

I bought a PC in early 2006 (just before the domination of Core Duos), without the monitor it pegged me at $850. Plus a new GPU last year for $150. A total of $1000.

In the last 12 months I bought over 40 PC games, for around $200 maybe.

How about you?

HOT DAMN, where'd you get games averaging $5 a pop! That's incredible.

My PC + Monitor (bought this Jan) was about 1000 as well. I expect it to last about 5-6 years before I need to upgrade something.



thetruthteller89 on 10 December 2009
r505Matt said:
loves2splooge said:

Shio, how much did you spend on PC gaming hardware since 2005 (and you seem like a core PC gamer so I assume that you keep your rig up to date to play the latest stuff right on solid settings right?) If you don't mind answering. This will offer a good cost comparison with the Xbox 360. PC gamers always talk about how gaming rigs are cheap to build but rarely talk about the long-term costs of PC gaming (which is very important to consider because rigs have to be kept up to date and outright replaced after a certain while whereas in this gen, 360 and PS3 will have 6-7 years lifespan at least). And when I mean hardware, I'm talking about the rig(s), upgrades, gaming keyboards and mouse (if you use those instead of the standard stuff), etc.

I think we should leave monitors and HDTVs out of the equation because those have multiple uses outside of gaming. (And you can use the HDTV with PC gaming and the monitor for console gaming. I myself have been considering purchasing a 21-24" 1080p or more monitor because they are cheaper than similarly sized HDTVs and offer better resolution). You could argue that a desktop has use outside of gaming as well (of course though you don't need a gaming rig for everyday computer use. I could even keep my old P4 desktop for that until it eventually craps out. lol) but as someone who is a laptop user (and all my needs are met by the laptop sans playing the more demanding PC games), sell me on building a new desktop (which will only be used for gaming).

I actually agree, keep the monitor out of it, it's easier that way, but shio brought it up by saying 'and you can just hook up the computer to a tv instead of buying a monitor'. He would have been better off not even mentioning that =P

PC gaming is expensive, but well worth it. Some games just feel wrong on consoles. I can't imagine playing dota, or D2, or Wow on a console, I just don't think it would work out well.

Edit: Typo

I think his point is valid and like he pointed out you can usually get the same games on your pc for cheaper, so depending on your needs it's not as expensive as people pretend especially next to 360 with adds 50 a year to the price of the console if your playing online 



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Killzone3 on 10 December 2009

Its all about the price.

Also HDTV penetration coupled with PS3 BR, Exclusives that are only PS3 not also PC.  PS3 now is a better value. 



Uberkiffer on 10 December 2009
Killzone3 said:

Its all about the price.

Also HDTV penetration coupled with PS3 BR, Exclusives that are only PS3 not also PC.  PS3 now is a better value. 


I thought it was all about the games?  Last I checked, blu ray drives are only $50-100 on pc and PC gets games that PS3 nor xbox360 will ever see (and you still get some of those killer xbox titles too). 



loves2splooge on 10 December 2009
shio said:
loves2splooge said:

Shio, how much did you spend on PC gaming hardware since 2005 (and you seem like a core PC gamer so I assume that you keep your rig up to date to play the latest stuff right on solid settings right?) If you don't mind answering. This will offer a good cost comparison with the Xbox 360. PC gamers always talk about how gaming rigs are cheap to build but rarely talk about the long-term costs of PC gaming (which is very important to consider because rigs have to be kept up to date and outright replaced after a certain while whereas in this gen, 360 and PS3 will have 6-7 years lifespan at least). And when I mean hardware, I'm talking about the rig(s), upgrades, gaming keyboards and mouse (if you use those instead of the standard stuff), etc.

I think we should leave monitors and HDTVs out of the equation because those have multiple uses outside of gaming. (And you can use the HDTV with PC gaming and the monitor for console gaming. I myself have been considering purchasing a 21-24" 1080p or more monitor because they are cheaper than similarly sized HDTVs and offer better resolution). You could argue that a desktop has use outside of gaming as well (of course though you don't need a gaming rig for everyday computer use. I could even keep my old P4 desktop for that until it eventually craps out. lol) but as someone who is a laptop user (and all my needs are met by the laptop sans playing the more demanding PC games), sell me on building a new desktop (which will only be used for gaming).

I bought a PC in early 2006 (just before the domination of Core Duos), without the monitor it pegged me at $850. Plus a new GPU last year for $150. A total of $1000.

In the last 12 months I bought over 40 PC games, for around $200 maybe.

How about you?

40 PC games for around $200? Are you including free and loads of indie games? GoG games and other old-school games you can get on Steam for cheap? Because that figure is insanely low. Every now and then you'll see a killer deal with a modern 'core' game like Direct 2 Drive's Mirror's Edge for $4.95 but a deal that good is rare.

For 360 software alone, in the last year I spent about $500+ (holy shit, I know. lol). That includes 18 retail games (mostly bargain binned), 11 XBLA games (some of which were free). I really need to lay off the impulse sale buys. For real. lol.



Dinges on 10 December 2009

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Gaming on consoles doesn't have to be expensive. When you finish a game just resell it on ebay. The last 1,5 years of gaming on a 360 I played 25 games while spending €60.



Uberkiffer on 10 December 2009

Good luck getting 4 people playing a PC game off one tv together when company is over :) Why do these fools even compare 360 to PC? I understand comparing 360 to ps3 or wii, but PC? Also 360 isnt losing any appeal to new customers at all.. sales are pretty much right where they always have been and software sales combined with peripherals are through the roof. Demand is there, PS3 just finally decided to join the party.