letsdance said: beating baby seals.. how sad that it had to come to that.

Amazon + online gaming retailer pre-orders + ioi's reasurance + common sense >>>> your flawed theory that has already been bashed to death in that travesty of a thread you made

darthdevidem01 said: letsdance said: beating baby seals.. how sad that it had to come to that. Amazon + online gaming retailer pre-orders + ioi's reasurance + common sense >>>> your flawed theory that has already been bashed to death in that travesty of a thread you made

Theory? LOL... you have nothing to back up your claim of 10 million. It'll get less sales than ff12. Ps3 cant sell SW as well as Ps2. THAT is common sense backed up with facts. ioi's reassurance? He has no numbers to back it up... in fact he was 400k of Uncharted at 1 point. You shouldnt put so much stock in one man whos had numerous estimates that haver been off. Remember 600k sales for Ps3 in Sept? Remember what happened to that?

JaggedSac said: Kantor said: JaggedSac said: Reach starts its climb to the top. Not really, no. But then, it's almost a year away. So it isn't going to be on top?

This pre-order chart gives no evidence for or against that inevitable occurence.

Of course it's going to be on top, it's a full Halo FPS.

darthdevidem01 said: As a final nail to your coffin on FF13 kantor check pre order sales for all the major UK gaming retailers: (as UK & american markets are similar this is a valid comparison) GAME: pre-order chart: http://www.game.co.uk/Default.aspx/Games/_/N-1z13fvfZ1z13f85 Basically not counting the jan & feb releases Battlefield is first & FF13 second thats is with Battlefield having a beta, a very good one at that & FF13 having nothing but a japanese trailer lately next Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/new-releases/videogames/ref=pd_nr_zgc_vg_h__video_games_display_on_website_more?pf_rd_p=467646873&pf_rd_s=right-8&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_i=300703&pf_rd_m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&pf_rd_r=09P45NMQTW9SGRG5769F FF13 (PS3) is the ONLY GAME in the top 10 that releases in march, the rest are dec/jan/feb games. Battle Field Bad COmpany doesn't chart over FF13 here HMV: http://hmv.com/hmvweb/comingSoon.do?ctx=-1;6;-1;-1;-1&pGroupID=6&pSubGroupID=-1&pGenreID=-1&pTertiaryID=-1&primaryID=6&subPrimaryID=-1&secondaryID=-1&tertiaryID=-1&WT.ac=highlights_games_111108_comingsoon FF13 is on the first page....but they are not ranked, but its definetely "popular" in the coming soon category Gamestation: http://www.gamestation.co.uk/ FF13 xbox 360 is on the pre orders chart once again I dunno if they are ranked. the PS3 version can't be too far behind Play.com: http://www.play.com/Games/Games/6-/PreOrderChart.html FF13 is in the top 10 AHEAD of Battlefield Bad COmpany (WTF is GT5 doing so high?) anyway as the american & UK markets are similar we can conclude FF13 is absolutely fine

I'll just throw this in here: Uncharted 2 was beating MW2 PS3 on the GAME pre-order charts for quite a while.

ioi said: @letsdance - it is very early days yet for FF XIII preorders. Things will pick up, trust me. Also, since you decided to be personal, care to point out all of these times I've been wrong?

I think what he was trying to say to Darth is that you are not right 100% of the time. Of course, you're right a damn sight more than the rest of us (except maybe BHR-3 ). What does TheSource think?

ioi said: @letsdance - it is very early days yet for FF XIII preorders. Things will pick up, trust me. Also, since you decided to be personal, care to point out all of these times I've been wrong?

edited last post of mine to add them in. I understand your estimations can be wrong sometimes and thats all they are... estimates but someone putting so much stock in what you say is annoying. You arent the final word and have been off before.

letsdance said: darthdevidem01 said: letsdance said: beating baby seals.. how sad that it had to come to that. Amazon + online gaming retailer pre-orders + ioi's reasurance + common sense >>>> your flawed theory that has already been bashed to death in that travesty of a thread you made Theory? LOL... you have nothing to back up your claim of 10 million. It'll get less sales than ff12. Ps3 cant sell SW as well as Ps2. THAT is common sense backed up with facts.

oh please letsdance

reasons for FF12 sales have been discussed to death on these forums & I am not repeating them here, you are not a new member you should know the different reasons that led to its low sales, ranging from generaly percieved low quality to releasing in the same damn month PS3 came out all the way to the FF tactics team that made it, not the traditional FF team.

You forget FF13 is multiplat, don't use the word facts so loosely as 360 + PS3 combined have been able to have some amazing software sales

Stick to the point of the thread, you have far less evidence to back yourself up in this argument

good bye

now I'm going to play dragon age origins & you should reply to what ioi has asked you

Kantor said: JaggedSac said: Kantor said: JaggedSac said: Reach starts its climb to the top. Not really, no. But then, it's almost a year away. So it isn't going to be on top? This pre-order chart gives no evidence for or against that inevitable occurence. Of course it's going to be on top, it's a full Halo FPS.

Well, it has to start somewhere :)  That is all I was saying.  I would have said it before, but this is the first time I have seen it on these charts.  Then again, I have probably missed a few.

Kantor said: ioi said: @letsdance - it is very early days yet for FF XIII preorders. Things will pick up, trust me. Also, since you decided to be personal, care to point out all of these times I've been wrong? I think what he was trying to say to Darth is that you are not right 100% of the time. Of course, you're right a damn sight more than the rest of us (except maybe BHR-3 ). What does TheSource think?

THeSOurce EVEN SAID:

"FF13 can sell 10 million worldwide"

so there goes your argument further into the 5,000 ft coffin my chocobo has dug for you

& point out whatever you want on the GAME list kantor

I have several sites there backng my claim, along with ioi, the source (albeit in a  different thread) & ofcourse S-E's huge marketing

you have:

letsdance (check his other thread to see how his theory for this was bashed) & yourself  & the pre-order chart WHICH ioi makes who is telling you there's nothing to worry about

we don't need a super calculator to work out who's winning here

ioi said: I'm the final word when I inform you that FF XIII preorders will pick up significantly the closer we get to release. It's not some random hope but something that is inevitable based on what we've seen for other games. No reason why FF XIII is suddenly going to bomb in the Americas and suggesting so based on preorders over 3 months from release is the only thing that is annoying here.

Well OBVIOUSLY... I don't run this site and I could tell you the pre-orders would pick up. It's common sense. If they didn't then FF13 would get under 100k FW opening sales and be the biggest flop in history. It is still not good pre-orders. BFBC... now those are good.