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jarrod on 08 December 2009
Hus said:

lmao NGS2 under 360 list, its freaking on PS3 dude.

Games MADE by MS and SONY as in 1st party EXCLUSIVES, what do you not understand.

You had a problem with me saying Sonys 1st party as a reason for PS3 owners to stay with PS in the future. So show 1ST party, don't cherry pick and twist everything to fit you bs.

1st party development isn't necessarily 1st party publishing.  I already brought up the difference in Microsoft's 1st party ideology this generation, to not inlcude every 1st party (read: published) release would be what's "cherry picking".

 

NG2 was part of a worldwide published deal for Microsoft.  It was like Shenmue II on Xbox 1, even though it's not "theirs" they handled publishing and promotion in return for the exclusivity window.  Besides, it not like this is the first time a 1st party game went to a competitors platform.  Wipeout did it on Saturn/N64, Scene It? did it on Wii/PS3...

 

 

edit: Since it seems to be such an issue, I'll do top 10 1st party developed too, just for fun...

 

Wii 

  1. Wii Sports (52.23m)* Nintendo EAD
  2. Wii Play (24.98m) Nintendo EAD
  3. Wii Fit (22.77m) Nintendo EAD
  4. Mario Kart Wii (18.85m) Nintendo EAD
  5. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (8.93m) HAL Laboratory / Monolith Soft (co-developed with Sora / Game Arts)
  6. Super Mario Galaxy (8.25m) Nintendo EAD Tokyo
  7. Wii Sports Resort (7.37m)* Nintendo EAD
  8. The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (5.38m) Nintendo EAD
  9. Link's Crossbow Training (4.14m) Nintendo EAD
  10. Wii Fit Plus (3.59m) Nintendo EAD

 

Xbox 360 (total 56.13m)

  1. Halo 3 (10.45m) Bungie Software (before leaving MGS)
  2. Forza Motorsport 2 (4.07m)* Turn 10 Studio
  3. Fable II (3.28m)* Lionhead Studios
  4. Halo Wars (1.6m) Ensemble Studios
  5. Viva Pinata (1.52m)* RARE
  6. Forza Mororsport 3 (1.5m) Turn 10 Studio
  7. Perfect Dark Zero (1.31m) RARE
  8. Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts (630k) RARE
  9. Kameo: Elements of Power (530k) RARE
  10. Shadowrun (400k) FASA Studio

 

PlayStation 3 (total 38.1m)

  1. Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (3.32m)* Polyphony Digital
  2. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (2.78m)* Naughty Dog Software
  3. Killzone 2 (2.12m) Guerilla Games
  4. Uncharted 2: Among Thieves (1.85m) Naughty Dog Software
  5. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs Confrontation (930k) Zipper Interactive
  6. Singstar (870k) SCE London Studio
  7. MotorStorm: Pacific Rift (800k) Evolution Studio (post-buyout)
  8. Hot Shots Golf: Out of Bounds (750k) Clap Hanz
  9. Singstar Abba (660k) SCE London Studio
  10. MLB 08: The Show (640k) Sony Studios San Diego


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Dr.Grass on 08 December 2009

My money is firmly on PS3 untill Natal arrives. We should know within a week or two of it's launch if it'll turn things around or just be another peripheral (which it of is not of course).

My money is on PS3,even after Natal.



Hus on 08 December 2009

NGS wont keep any one buying 360s its not a real exclusive its not 1st party as in developed by MS. Uncharted God of War and Gran Turismo will keep people buying PS consoels as they are Sonys and no other platform but Sonys will see those games.

So Accept defeat or post a real list of 1st party exclusives and their slaes. Man up dude.



Dr.Grass on 08 December 2009
CGI-Quality said:
tuscaniman said:
CGI-Quality said:
tuscaniman said:
CGI-Quality said:
tuscaniman said:
I can't say who will end up in second place (not that it matters), but I can tell you one thing. America is pro xbox now and sony will end up behind microsoft for now on. The '720' will thoroughly beat PS4 in America as well. Therefore this gen and next gen will be a tight race.

Too early to call that.

I don't think its too early to call it. I don't know where you live but here Indianapolis, IN USA Xbox is king.  No  its not the biggest market (12th largest city in US) but I know how I see it. I would assume most if not all PS3 owners here were previous PS2 owners and want to stay with their familiar system, but I also know the 360 shifted alot from the PS2 market to the 360 brand. I see some of the PS3 owners shifting to the '720' market next year. Its has in some way become 'America's console' the way the Japanese embrace Sony.

You can't come to that conclusion based on one city in the United States. Furthermore, if this gen has proven anything, it's that things can change in a heartbeat. Look at last gen, PS2 was the King, and NOTHING got close to that. Now, here we sit in the next gen, the gen where it was expected that the PS3 would rule it.The 360 rules in America for one big reason, Sony messed up in the beginning with one of the biggest factors for a purchase in the US, high price. For next gen that tiny factor will probably not be an initial issue.

These things aren't so clear cut. Sony has Japan for obvious reasons but those reasons aren't so obvious in the US however.

Alright last post on this subject. I'm not basing this on one city in the US. Do you live in the US? If you don't then any response you have is a moot point.

- I live in Raleigh, N.C. USA.

360 is double PS3 here. 360 will stay way above PS3 here and the '720' will have a huge gap on the PS4 as well. What you are failing to realize is how big a consumer base the 360 has built for its next console. PS2 dominated the Xbox, but somehow the 360 stole the market share from Sony in America. Its not magic how they did it and the same formula will be repeated for the '720' Microsoft will not relinquish America.

Do you know how far ahead the PS2 was in America than the Xbox? It wasn't even worth debating. Look what happened with the PS3.

Also the anticipation for the 360 was just as huge as the PS3 here in America.

NO! It certainly was not. PS3 had the most anticipated launch in history thanks to the PS2.

Nobody expected PS3 to dominate the 360 as the PS2 did to the Xbox. At least not here.

Again, wrong. From the beginning, people thought the PS3 would dominate (analysts & Microsoft alike). However, with the price tag and Sony's initial screw-ups, they hurt those chances themselves.

Anything else?

LOL! He didn't respond to your point at all!



BHR-3 on 08 December 2009

from jan to sept heck no ps3 will do really well the gap might be down to 2.5-3.5 mill end of august

from sept to dec i c it being close like it was in 07

i dont c the 360 finishing 2nd wen the gen is done

i give credit to CGI i dont agree wit him with 360 finishing in 2nd like i didnt with his U2 prediction but at least hes man enough to post wat he thinks



                                                             

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jarrod on 08 December 2009
Hus said:

NGS wont keep any one buying 360s its not a real exclusive its not 1st party as in developed by MS. Uncharted God of War and Gran Turismo will keep people buying PS consoels as they are Sonys and no other platform but Sonys will see those games.

So Accept defeat or post a real list of 1st party exclusives and their slaes. Man up dude.

The Halo branded games will outsell all Uncharted/GOW/GT branded games combined this gen.  If you want to talk about HD exclusives that the mainstream actually cares about, the discussion begins and ends with Halo.



Hus on 08 December 2009
jarrod said:
Hus said:

NGS wont keep any one buying 360s its not a real exclusive its not 1st party as in developed by MS. Uncharted God of War and Gran Turismo will keep people buying PS consoels as they are Sonys and no other platform but Sonys will see those games.

So Accept defeat or post a real list of 1st party exclusives and their slaes. Man up dude.

The Halo branded games will outsell all Uncharted/GOW/GT branded games combined this gen.  If you want to talk about HD exclusives that the mainstream actually cares about, the discussion begins and ends with Halo.

LOL whatever you are on, cut the shit down a bit.  Is it like clown day and you are just out to make me piss my pants from laughing. 

GT this gen will do what all the Halo branded games do.  If you truely are delusional enough to think HAlo is all that bigger then GT proves all your posts are just bias bs. 

 

 

But ok you have shown your true colors, don't bother replying.  Your are a waste of my time. 



jesus kung fu magic on 08 December 2009
Gilgamesh said:

I predict the X360 has peaked either last or or this year and will not sell better from now on. This is it's 4th year out, it's quite surprising it sold as good as it did for this long.

I dought any price cuts from Microsoft will do anything, a little bump, back to normal it's already at $199 and they come out with a price cut every 6 months - year. I highly dought Natal will do anything, just reminds me of the Eyetoy on the PS2, it never really took off, and was only accepted by a specific group of people. Other then that all Microsoft has is Gears of war and Halo, but everyone that wants to play those games already owns a X360, so that'll just satisfy the people that already own the X360 instead of actually attracting new consumers.

Microsoft needs to invest all that money into new IPs.

So I say the PS3 will continue to outsell the X360 on a regular basis (excludng the odd week the X360 will outsell the PS3 from price cut/game etc) until this gen is over (both companies stop the PS3 and X360).

Can someone explain to me why this guy is an admin?



N64 is the ONLY console of the fifth generation!!!

ramses01 on 08 December 2009
Netyaroze said:



Your arguments are just speculations it could be the way you said but it could be the way I said too. So we just have to wait and see for our selfs. If you really think Natal could achieve 50% of what Wii achieved you will be disapointed. I can see Natal selling 5-8 Millions and 1 million consoles if everything is going perfect. But this wont change the situation.

I believe Wand will be more succesful and if not then there is ICU.

You seem to be vastly underestimating NATAL.  I would expect 15 million stand alones, if the price is aggressive as some of the rumors indicate.  As far as consoles goes, I think a reasonable estimate is 30 million or so consoles assuming 720 doesn't launch before end of  2012.  You have to remember that it is likely that every new 360 will come with NATAL starting next fall.



jarrod on 08 December 2009
Hus said:
jarrod said:
Hus said:

NGS wont keep any one buying 360s its not a real exclusive its not 1st party as in developed by MS. Uncharted God of War and Gran Turismo will keep people buying PS consoels as they are Sonys and no other platform but Sonys will see those games.

So Accept defeat or post a real list of 1st party exclusives and their slaes. Man up dude.

The Halo branded games will outsell all Uncharted/GOW/GT branded games combined this gen.  If you want to talk about HD exclusives that the mainstream actually cares about, the discussion begins and ends with Halo.

LOL whatever you are on, cut the shit down a bit.  Is it like clown day and you are just out to make me piss my pants from laughing. 

GT this gen will do what all the Halo branded games do.  If you truely are delusional enough to think HAlo is all that bigger then GT proves all your posts are just bias bs. 

 

 

But ok you have shown your true colors, don't bother replying.  Your are a waste of my time. 

Halo is bigger than GT now.  Wasn't last gen, but it definitely is now.  Honestly, I'm a little shocked you're taking so much issue with Microsoft's commercially stronger 1st party, it's pretty cut and dry.  And lol @ "true colors".

 

I admit, I was trolling with the Halo comment, but actually breaking it down, I might actually be right (lol).

Currently:

Halo 3 + ODST + Wars = 15.73m

Uncharted 1/2 + GT5P + GOW Collection = 8.18m

Upcoming:

Halo Reach (8m+)

GT5 (8m+)

GOW3 (2m+)

Continued significant sales for ODST, UC2 & GOWC (likely 1-2m more each).  Maybe for Halo 3 also even.