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Isnt 3d counterproductive for people who get motion sickness? Thought I heard that somewhere.



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I'm so NOT interested in this 3D thing....



 

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This is a novelty feature. And it applies to a niche audience...Its not going to go mainstream. Not with those $200 glasses it isnt. Maybe in 2015 or so.



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arsenicazure said:
This is a novelty feature. And it applies to a niche audience...Its not going to go mainstream. Not with those $200 glasses it isnt. Maybe in 2015 or so.

200$?!?! you mean 20$ right?



Icyedge said:
disolitude said:
Ssenkahdavic said:

To use 3D you need a TV (like the OPs) that takes 120+hz from source.  If your current tv does 120/240 make sure it does this from source (and not an internal upscale) for this tech to work.

I think this is a great idea.  The leader in sports here in the US, ESPN, is lauching 3D broadcast on June 11th for the World Cup

With the cable stations following suite, its very possible this tech will take off.

Not necessarily.

DLP TVs (and plasmas that support 3D) use a checkerboard pixel pattern which allow them to take 60 Hz and display images in 3D. And they do this much better than few 120 hz LCD monitors since there is no ghosting lag.

There isn't a 120 HZ "TV" that is able to do this on the market right now. There is a bunch of LCD monitors, 2 samsung plasmas and the Mitsubishi DLP/Laser TV line... and thats it.

All of the people that bought the "120/240 hz TV" have been douped!

Yup thats right. Theres only a very few TVs out there that support 3D. Most 120 Hz are not 3D ready. While its true that you can display on 60 Hz (ive been doing that for along time on my cathodic Tv). You will see flickers and small image duplication (also call ghosting) which have been the biggest problem for 3D as a home media. Hopefully Sony will fix that with a constant 120 Hz, and will show the way for some kind of standard in displaying 3D (checkerboard, vertical or horizontal interlace etc).

While it is true that the checkerboard pixel pattern will allow this to "work" its still juts a gimmick.  The tv HAS to support full 120hz input from source to do this properly.  While you will be able to view it, you will not be able to view it the way it was meant to be viewed.  Ill find the source and put it up when I get home later.



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i don't see myself replacing my tv just to get a 3D ready tv the only time i would do that would be to purchase a tv where i don't need to wear those glasses to see the 3d effect



I like 3D And I loved those glasses as a kid.

Looks like I'm getting a Sony TV^^



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Ssenkahdavic said:
Icyedge said:
disolitude said:
Ssenkahdavic said:

To use 3D you need a TV (like the OPs) that takes 120+hz from source.  If your current tv does 120/240 make sure it does this from source (and not an internal upscale) for this tech to work.

I think this is a great idea.  The leader in sports here in the US, ESPN, is lauching 3D broadcast on June 11th for the World Cup

With the cable stations following suite, its very possible this tech will take off.

Not necessarily.

DLP TVs (and plasmas that support 3D) use a checkerboard pixel pattern which allow them to take 60 Hz and display images in 3D. And they do this much better than few 120 hz LCD monitors since there is no ghosting lag.

There isn't a 120 HZ "TV" that is able to do this on the market right now. There is a bunch of LCD monitors, 2 samsung plasmas and the Mitsubishi DLP/Laser TV line... and thats it.

All of the people that bought the "120/240 hz TV" have been douped!

Yup thats right. Theres only a very few TVs out there that support 3D. Most 120 Hz are not 3D ready. While its true that you can display on 60 Hz (ive been doing that for along time on my cathodic Tv). You will see flickers and small image duplication (also call ghosting) which have been the biggest problem for 3D as a home media. Hopefully Sony will fix that with a constant 120 Hz, and will show the way for some kind of standard in displaying 3D (checkerboard, vertical or horizontal interlace etc).

While it is true that the checkerboard pixel pattern will allow this to "work" its still juts a gimmick.  The tv HAS to support full 120hz input from source to do this properly.  While you will be able to view it, you will not be able to view it the way it was meant to be viewed.  Ill find the source and put it up when I get home later.

Complete nonsence.

Checkerboard pattern at 60 hz on DLP/Plasmas looks much better than 120 hz LCD monitors. I have both. Checkerboard has absolutely no ghosting... there is absolutely no delay in the checkerboard pattern while 120 hz monitors still have 0.1-0.3 ms refresh rate which the eye can see hence there is ghosting. 2007 DLP checkerboard 3D will look better than 120 hz 3D ready TVs for atleast 2-3 more years.

The only downside is that the resolution is halved since 1920x1080 pixels is used to display frames for both eyes. Its a form of interlacing... however its pretty clever and the eye really can't tell the difference unless they ae looking at really fine things like in game text or edges of polygons...etc.



This 3D gimmick will fail hard and I'll be laughing all the way.

The trouble with Sony is that they think that they can create consumer demand for products where none existed before. It's what they tried to do with Blu-Ray (which won the media-manufactured "format wars" but which is still getting outsold by vanilla DVDs), UMDs (failure), locked-in digital distribution with the PSP Go (failure), the PS Eye (failure), and so forth. But that's not how it goes. Successful companies fulfill a want or need that already exists.

The Wii (and, by extension, motion control in general) succeeded because it drew in the people who wanted to get into gaming but didn't want to deal with convoluted controls or the "blood/swearing/tits" model of most "mature" games. Ditto with the DS and its intuitive touchscreen interface.

By contrast, there's only one phrase to describe Sony's 3D TV venture: OVERSHOOTING THE MARKET. Who, exactly, are they trying to sell 3D TVs to? Consumers at large are just starting to adopt vanilla HDTVs (and the majority are still using their 480i CRTs), and then only because HDTVs just recently reached mass-market prices and nobody's making CRTs anymore. There is absolutely zero demand for 3D TV outside of a few eccentric tech-heads and videophiles.

But then, anyone who's been watching the market knows that. Another Sony overshoot, another Sony failure.



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Avinash_Tyagi said:
Of course it will fail, first most people are happy with their non-3D HDTV's at the moment, secondly you need 3D glasses, which are stupid for when you're in the house, not to mention those glasses are like $200 each

They need to focus on making 3D tv's which don't require glasses, and wait for a few years until people are ready to replace their current HDTV's, then it might take off

Do you have the slightest idea what is required to view 3D without glasses ?

It's called holography and is quite a way off....

 

And the reason they are doing this is simple.

It's called Avatar...

That and ESPN and Disney are launching 3D channels this coming June...

 

If you don't believe, go watch Avatar on an Imax and then come back...

 



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