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Acevil said:
lestatdark said:
Nice edit that you did there Acevil. First you called him out saying that by him naming 99% RPG's selling less than FFXII equalled that all JRPG's sold less than 55k, and now you put that up :P

Now you picked my curiosity, out of Pokemon games and previous Final Fantasy games, which JRPG sold 5.68 M? Kingdom Hearts came close but still didn't sell as FFXII and KH2 sold even less.

Kingdom Hearts did sell more, it is just Final Mix is recorded as a different while Final Fantasy XII and Zodiac edition are together. Also in the start I did misinturpt what he did so, but regardless, not that many JRPG games exist for FF12 to be 99% over.

oh please

FF12 numbers were adjusted up after S-E revealed they shipped in excess of 6 Million

PLEASE stop with the stealth edits!

& technically FF12 likely to be 99% over as there must be over 100,000 JRPG games released.....out of them lets say 20 made it over 5.68 million

that puts FF12 into the 0.02% that did make it over the 5.68 million bracket

 



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@Acevil

Yeah, but it's kind of unfair for other people to see one thing and a few seconds later see another thing. It feels like you're hiding something.

Also you didn't adress my other question. Even considering mixing remakes, remixes, final mixes, the whatshernameorwhatever version of games, the fact still remains that each Final Fantasy game is on the top percentile of JRPG sales of all time. 5.68 M (or 5.79 M going by your measures) hasn't been achieved at least for 95% of all JRPG games starting from NES times.

@Darth

100,000 RPG games it's way too much. Considering that the usual library for a console is usually composed of 3k -5k games, even if you consider the whole 7 generation of consoles, you'll be hard pressed to find even 20k RPG games.

But using your same logic, even if, let's say, a 100 RPG's sold more than 5.68 M, it still leaves FFXII on the top 0.5%



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darthdevidem01 said:
Acevil said:
lestatdark said:
Nice edit that you did there Acevil. First you called him out saying that by him naming 99% RPG's selling less than FFXII equalled that all JRPG's sold less than 55k, and now you put that up :P

Now you picked my curiosity, out of Pokemon games and previous Final Fantasy games, which JRPG sold 5.68 M? Kingdom Hearts came close but still didn't sell as FFXII and KH2 sold even less.

Kingdom Hearts did sell more, it is just Final Mix is recorded as a different while Final Fantasy XII and Zodiac edition are together. Also in the start I did misinturpt what he did so, but regardless, not that many JRPG games exist for FF12 to be 99% over.

oh please

FF12 numbers were adjusted up after S-E revealed they shipped in excess of 6 Million

PLEASE stop with the stealth edits!

& technically FF12 likely to be 99% over as there must be over 100,000 JRPG games released.....out of them lets say 20 made it over 5.68 million

that puts FF12 into the 0.02% that did make it over the 5.68 million bracket

 

100,000 JRPG games released? Now who is being unreasonable, no one generation has more than 200-300 JRPG released on one domination platform, with ps2 possibly having more than that. 



 

Acevil said:
lestatdark said:
Wow, you do such shameless edits and you don't even bother to point them out. Nice to see such honesty and character in a person.

I do edits all the time, because I leave out stuff and continue to add stuff. If you check about 50% of my posts will have additional material. I do not like reposting, only few cases is it an actual edit.

 

Also Darth...than why is Zodiac Edition added into Final FAntasy XII sales, since that is similar to Kingdom Hearts Final Mix. Also why not count rereleases they are the same game, not remakes.

 

Edit: So you believe more than 2000 JRPG games exist?

No it was revised after S-E said they had shipped over 6 million units or so of FF12

& I DO believe there are more than 2000 JRPg's n existence

please tell me you didn't believe there are only 2000 JRPG's here



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lestatdark said:
@Acevil

Yeah, but it's kind of unfair for other people to see one thing and a few seconds later see another thing. It feels like you're hiding something.

Also you didn't adress my other question. Even considering mixing remakes, remixes, final mixes, the whatshernameorwhatever version of games, the fact still remains that each Final Fantasy game is on the top percentile of JRPG sales of all time. 5.68 M (or 5.79 M going by your measures) hasn't been achieved at least for 95% of all JRPG games starting from NES times.

See I actually agree with your statement but throwing out 99% to me is unreasonable.

Also half the stuff I have been quoted in saying such as Lightning being horrible because she looks like Cloud were incorrect.



 

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Acevil said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Acevil said:
lestatdark said:
Nice edit that you did there Acevil. First you called him out saying that by him naming 99% RPG's selling less than FFXII equalled that all JRPG's sold less than 55k, and now you put that up :P

Now you picked my curiosity, out of Pokemon games and previous Final Fantasy games, which JRPG sold 5.68 M? Kingdom Hearts came close but still didn't sell as FFXII and KH2 sold even less.

Kingdom Hearts did sell more, it is just Final Mix is recorded as a different while Final Fantasy XII and Zodiac edition are together. Also in the start I did misinturpt what he did so, but regardless, not that many JRPG games exist for FF12 to be 99% over.

oh please

FF12 numbers were adjusted up after S-E revealed they shipped in excess of 6 Million

PLEASE stop with the stealth edits!

& technically FF12 likely to be 99% over as there must be over 100,000 JRPG games released.....out of them lets say 20 made it over 5.68 million

that puts FF12 into the 0.02% that did make it over the 5.68 million bracket

 

100,000 JRPG games released? Now who is being unreasonable, no one generation has more than 200-300 JRPG released on one domination platform, with ps2 possibly having more than that. 

all I need is for there to be OVER 2000 JRPG's released on gaming platforms counting PC's, handhelds & so on

but I said "RPG" remember.....that was before you started caling me out with pokemon & so on

counting "RPG's"

FF12 is most certainly over 99%

your doing stealth edits as fast as the wii was selling in 2008!



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Acevil said:
lestatdark said:
@Acevil

Yeah, but it's kind of unfair for other people to see one thing and a few seconds later see another thing. It feels like you're hiding something.

Also you didn't adress my other question. Even considering mixing remakes, remixes, final mixes, the whatshernameorwhatever version of games, the fact still remains that each Final Fantasy game is on the top percentile of JRPG sales of all time. 5.68 M (or 5.79 M going by your measures) hasn't been achieved at least for 95% of all JRPG games starting from NES times.

See I actually agree with your statement but throwing out 99% to me is unreasonable.

Also half the stuff I have been quoted in saying such as Lightning being horrible because she looks like Cloud were incorrect.

I have revised that point& edited it now

oh & I gave you THREE points, so thats a "third" not "half"....stop being unreasonable

Besides now it looks even worse

Exclusivity & character popularity don't have much to do with eachother considering one of the most popular characters of this generation is from a  multiplatform game



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darthdevidem01 said:
Acevil said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Acevil said:
lestatdark said:
Nice edit that you did there Acevil. First you called him out saying that by him naming 99% RPG's selling less than FFXII equalled that all JRPG's sold less than 55k, and now you put that up :P

Now you picked my curiosity, out of Pokemon games and previous Final Fantasy games, which JRPG sold 5.68 M? Kingdom Hearts came close but still didn't sell as FFXII and KH2 sold even less.

Kingdom Hearts did sell more, it is just Final Mix is recorded as a different while Final Fantasy XII and Zodiac edition are together. Also in the start I did misinturpt what he did so, but regardless, not that many JRPG games exist for FF12 to be 99% over.

oh please

FF12 numbers were adjusted up after S-E revealed they shipped in excess of 6 Million

PLEASE stop with the stealth edits!

& technically FF12 likely to be 99% over as there must be over 100,000 JRPG games released.....out of them lets say 20 made it over 5.68 million

that puts FF12 into the 0.02% that did make it over the 5.68 million bracket

 

100,000 JRPG games released? Now who is being unreasonable, no one generation has more than 200-300 JRPG released on one domination platform, with ps2 possibly having more than that. 

all I need is for there to be OVER 2000 JRPG's released on gaming platforms counting PC's, handhelds & so on

but I said "RPG" remember.....that was before you started caling me out with pokemon & so on

counting "RPG's"

FF12 is most certainly over 99%

your doing stealth edits as fast as the wii was selling in 2008!

2,322 of RPG in this site, given some of the titles might be missing, but that is made up from the fact that many versions of same game exist. This also including PC RPGs.

No way in hell is 100,000JRPG going to exist like you said.

Also I only did edits twice, and only one was actually taking out something.



 

@Acevil

I just wanted to adress that particular point, given that it's a common knowledge fact that Final Fantasy games are amongst the highest selling RPG games. Even PC RPG's are hard pressed to sell in numbers similar to the numbers that FF games achieve.

True that they cannot even be compared to the sales of Pokemon games, but they are the second highest selling RPG franchise, and they will continue to be so.

Also, I don't particulary agree with your assesment of Final Fantasy being lost as a series, but it's mainly because you threw that at first as being a fact, but you corrected yourself by stating it to be your opinion. I don't have a problem with people's opinions, is just that there is so many personal opinions in this site that are used as "hard facts", that I get a bit on the defensive when I see people do that.



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Acevil said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Acevil said:
darthdevidem01 said:
Acevil said:
lestatdark said:
Nice edit that you did there Acevil. First you called him out saying that by him naming 99% RPG's selling less than FFXII equalled that all JRPG's sold less than 55k, and now you put that up :P

Now you picked my curiosity, out of Pokemon games and previous Final Fantasy games, which JRPG sold 5.68 M? Kingdom Hearts came close but still didn't sell as FFXII and KH2 sold even less.

Kingdom Hearts did sell more, it is just Final Mix is recorded as a different while Final Fantasy XII and Zodiac edition are together. Also in the start I did misinturpt what he did so, but regardless, not that many JRPG games exist for FF12 to be 99% over.

oh please

FF12 numbers were adjusted up after S-E revealed they shipped in excess of 6 Million

PLEASE stop with the stealth edits!

& technically FF12 likely to be 99% over as there must be over 100,000 JRPG games released.....out of them lets say 20 made it over 5.68 million

that puts FF12 into the 0.02% that did make it over the 5.68 million bracket

 

100,000 JRPG games released? Now who is being unreasonable, no one generation has more than 200-300 JRPG released on one domination platform, with ps2 possibly having more than that. 

all I need is for there to be OVER 2000 JRPG's released on gaming platforms counting PC's, handhelds & so on

but I said "RPG" remember.....that was before you started caling me out with pokemon & so on

counting "RPG's"

FF12 is most certainly over 99%

your doing stealth edits as fast as the wii was selling in 2008!

2,322 of RPG in this site, given some of the titles might be missing, but that is made up from the fact that many versions of same game exist. This also including PC RPGs.

No way in hell is 100,000JRPG going to exist like you said.

Also I only did edits twice, and only one was actually taking out something.

ok Gamespot has 50 RPG games on each page

& they have 71 pages

so:

50 TIMES 71 = 3550

Counting all re-releases & games to be launched (out of which hardly any will sell more than FF12 barring pokemon & FF13) its a BIG LIST

& it EASILY puts FF12 above 99%

EDIT:

it seems they have 71 PAGES......not 47.....so it FURTHEr proves my point



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