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jarrod said:
I think there's issues of scale here. Frankly it doesn't make sense to me when someone says Halo Reach won't be a "system seller", then in the next breath say FFXIII will be a "sysetm seller" in Japan when the reality is FFXIII's JP hardware bump will probably be less than Reach's US hardware bump.


No it won't...and that's exactly the point. The first game of an established BIG IP releasing on a new generation of consoles almost always moves hardware, Halo Reach doesn't qualify. That's why people are saying GT5 and FF13 will sell systems. The 360 has no games left like this, hence why it has no system sellers left.

Halo ODST did absoloutely nothing to boost hardware, any hardware affects Halo had went out the window with Halo 3.



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Kantor said:
Slimebeast said:
Kantor said:
Slimebeast said:
Kantor said:

The odd thing is, I meant Alan Wake. So why did I say PS3...

Anyway, GoW3 first week > Alan Wake first week.

No, lifetime sales. Obviously GoW3 will win first week over Alan Wake because long-awaited sequels are always extremely front loaded.

You can't bet on Lifetime, because Lifetime doesn't end.

First 4 weeks?

No, I need at least 1 year for the above mentioned reasons.

A year is too long for me, so no thanks.

I want to make a bet though >_>

Six months?

No thanks, because I believe GoW 3 will sell better during their first 6 months, but my point was from the beginning that Alan Wake in the long run will be as important in selling consoles because it will sell more than God of War 3 eventually.

As I said, it's the heavily front loaded sales of God of War 3 that for sure will secure even a 6 month victory.



isn't a Metal Gear game coming for X360? could be big, l mean is the first Metal Gear for the console... but l don't know if it will be released before Natal :)



Reasonable said:
jarrod said:
I think there's issues of scale here. Frankly it doesn't make sense to me when someone says Halo Reach won't be a "system seller", then in the next breath say FFXIII will be a "sysetm seller" in Japan when the reality is FFXIII's JP hardware bump will probably be less than Reach's US hardware bump.

Microsoft has a lot of unknowns next year in Natal, and games like Alan Wake. 360's pretty well established so it's easy to assume people who want games like Halo, Crackdown, Mass Effect, Splinter Cell or Fable sequels already have the system, but then I'd counter that extremely rare you have one game that can singularly drive hardware significantly anyway. On 360, I'd say Halo 3 did it. On Wii there was Wii Sports, Wii Fit and now probably NSMBWii. I don't think PS3's ever really had one, though GT5 looks like it could come closest to that level (but still isn't a sure thing). DS had a few (Nintendogs, Brain-Age, NSMB, Pokemon), PSP didn't.

I think it's highly unlikely Reach will produce a larger spike in US than FF in Japan.  There has been no FF title at all on PS3 in Japan, therefore the spike is going to be large, whereas Halo 3 has already released on 360, so it is very likely the spike for Reach is going to be modest at best (based on historic performance).

That's why you're seeing the comments your are.  Unknowns are just that, unknowns.  You're guessing when trying to figure out what will happen.  Known titles you can look at the history.

In the end, only PS3 has major franchises still to make a major bow on the system, FF and GT5, all known major 360 franchises have already had a title released.

 

Japan already got the FFXIII demo with ACCFFVII BD, and that even got a PS3 hardware bundle last April (which already spiked sales).  No, it's not a full game, but then it's not like all the people who're buying FFXIII will be buying a PS3 alongside it, many already have one.  The scale of FFXIII's bump isn't going to be that huge either, the holidays and slim are pushing more units that FFXIII will be.  It'll maybe be a 80-100k bump on top of that.   

Likewise, we had already GT5 Prologue.  Again, not the same as a dedicated full release, but Sony's definitely been teasing the game so long with Prologue and updates that a good amount of series faithful likely already bought the platform.  I guess it's maybe semantics, in a way both series HAVE pushed hardware sales even if those sales won't come alongside the games.  Though then we can sort of apply that logic to the 360 sequels too, they're helping reinforce sales and awareness.

I sort of view GT5 and FFXIII the same way I view Other M or the new Zelda... technically the series was released on the platform earlier, but this is the first full "real" game in the series made for the console.



CARBONERO said:
isn't a Metal Gear game coming for X360? could be big, l mean is the first Metal Gear for the console... but l don't know if it will be released before Natal :)

It would be big if it was exclusive to the 360,but just like FF XIII,it will sell more on the PS3



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Kantor said:
nightsurge said:
G2Daooze said:
360 has splinter cell and thats an exclusive

Fixed :)

Re-fixed.

Rule 8: Flamebait and Trolling

  • Do not call a game that is not exclusive an exclusive. This is considered trolling. This includes PC and console multiplats. For full details on this read this topic. Mods will be lenient about accidentally mislabeling a game you were uninformed about to some extent, but know what you are posting about. Repeat offenses of this will result in moderation.

Re-re-fixed.  Even a console exclusive is still an exclusive by definition.  And since no PC release date has been announced so far as I'm aware, it IS exclusive still :)

Definition of exclusive:

–adjective

1. not admitting of something else; incompatible: mutually exclusive plans of action.
2. omitting from consideration or account (often fol. by of): a profit of ten percent, exclusive of taxes.
3. limited to the object or objects designated: exclusive attention to business.
4. admitting only members of a socially restricted or very carefully selected group: an exclusive club.
5. excluding or tending to exclude, as from use or possession: exclusive laws.


nightsurge said:
Kantor said:
nightsurge said:
G2Daooze said:
360 has splinter cell and thats an exclusive

Fixed :)

Re-fixed.

Rule 8: Flamebait and Trolling

  • Do not call a game that is not exclusive an exclusive. This is considered trolling. This includes PC and console multiplats. For full details on this read this topic. Mods will be lenient about accidentally mislabeling a game you were uninformed about to some extent, but know what you are posting about. Repeat offenses of this will result in moderation.

Re-re-fixed.  Even a console exclusive is still an exclusive by definition.  And since no PC release date has been announced so far as I'm aware, it IS exclusive still :)

Definition of exclusive:

–adjective

1. not admitting of something else; incompatible: mutually exclusive plans of action.
2. omitting from consideration or account (often fol. by of): a profit of ten percent, exclusive of taxes.
3. limited to the object or objects designated: exclusive attention to business.
4. admitting only members of a socially restricted or very carefully selected group: an exclusive club.
5. excluding or tending to exclude, as from use or possession: exclusive laws.

You quoted the dictionary, I quoted the forum rules.

The forum rules take precedence.



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nightsurge said:

Re-re-fixed.  Even a console exclusive is still an exclusive by definition.  And since no PC release date has been announced so far as I'm aware, it IS exclusive still :)

Definition of exclusive:

–adjective

1. not admitting of something else; incompatible: mutually exclusive plans of action.
2. omitting from consideration or account (often fol. by of): a profit of ten percent, exclusive of taxes.
3. limited to the object or objects designated: exclusive attention to business.
4. admitting only members of a socially restricted or very carefully selected group: an exclusive club.
5. excluding or tending to exclude, as from use or possession: exclusive laws.


So you're just completely ignoring the rules on this site because you feel like it then eh?

It doesn't matter if a release date has been announced, it's been announced for the PC and is therefore a console exclusive, NOT an exclusive.



The "what's exclusive-what's" not rules are not debatable, so please stop discussing them and stay on topic




Kantor said:
nightsurge said:
Kantor said:
nightsurge said:
G2Daooze said:
360 has splinter cell and thats an exclusive

Fixed :)

Re-fixed.

Rule 8: Flamebait and Trolling

  • Do not call a game that is not exclusive an exclusive. This is considered trolling. This includes PC and console multiplats. For full details on this read this topic. Mods will be lenient about accidentally mislabeling a game you were uninformed about to some extent, but know what you are posting about. Repeat offenses of this will result in moderation.

Re-re-fixed.  Even a console exclusive is still an exclusive by definition.  And since no PC release date has been announced so far as I'm aware, it IS exclusive still :)

Definition of exclusive:

–adjective

1. not admitting of something else; incompatible: mutually exclusive plans of action.
2. omitting from consideration or account (often fol. by of): a profit of ten percent, exclusive of taxes.
3. limited to the object or objects designated: exclusive attention to business.
4. admitting only members of a socially restricted or very carefully selected group: an exclusive club.
5. excluding or tending to exclude, as from use or possession: exclusive laws.

You quoted the dictionary, I quoted the forum rules.

The forum rules take precedence.

Well perhaps the forum rules should be modified?  Perhaps it should explicitly say you have to use the term console exclusive?  Because if I were to not count every game that is on both one console and PC as an exclusive, it'd be a discredit to those console owners.  By definition of exclusive, all you need to do is exclude others from the group.  So a game on 2 platforms or more that excludes others is still an "exclusive" by the way I see it.  There is only like 1 or 2 definitions of exclusive that explicitly state "only one" or something similar.

EDIT:  Sorry Zexen!  Posted this before your post showed up :(