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you can buy nintendo shares through ADRs under the symbol NTDOY. it's a 8 adr = 1 share.



the Wii is an epidemic.

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dallas said: I'm actually more interested in Microsoft's stock price. The recent low sales of the 360 are coincidentally coinciding with their dropping share prices (even if only by a few dollars or 10% but still) and what looks like the impending failure of the HD-DVD which would be a big and easy cash cow to maintain, while sales of vista, what many consider to be their main product are doing well. But, yeah, Nintendo has done great, and they deserve their reward.
The 10% drop is more likely due to the global drop in shares prices over the past few weeks rather then actual financial factors.



I don't really know if the Wall Street analysts really understand the predicament the PS3 is in. They seemed to completely miss the success of the Wii and DS. These analysts are good at looking at documents and reading technical specs, but most of them have never played video games in any real way. Once I realized Nintendo was going to have a lot of success with the Wii, which was around June last year, I bought a couple hundred NTDOY shares. One of the best bets I've ever made besides Apple. But I sold out Apple too soon. I still made 40% on it but I would have tripled my money if I had stayed. I won't make the same mistake with Nintendo. Nintendo could have some monster quarters if they stay #1 and #2 with the DS and Wii. I've made enough to buy a small car, but I'm greedy and want a down payment for a house



Smashchu said: A bit surprised by Sony shares. I thought with PS3's low sales they would be low. Must have gotten a boost from other areas inside the company.
Since PS3's are selling at a loss, for the short term low sales of PS3 actually helps them financialy, its when they publish their yearly reports for 2007 and 2008 that the ps3 might have a good or bad influence on the share price.



A bit surprised by Sony shares. I thought with PS3's low sales they would be low. Must have gotten a boost from other areas inside the company.
That's the problem with fanboys and naive games reviewers etc judging the ps3's performance. Sony will be reasonably pleased with ps3 sales at this early juncture. High early price point, software drought, zero early AAA titles etc. Every problem the ps3 has is a timescale issue. The one thing Sony will be keeping a very close eye on is when the first really big titles start to land and it's effect on hardware sales. That will determine how soon there's a price cut.



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dallas said: I'm actually more interested in Microsoft's stock price. The recent low sales of the 360 are coincidentally coinciding with their dropping share prices (even if only by a few dollars or 10% but still) and what looks like the impending failure of the HD-DVD which would be a big and easy cash cow to maintain, while sales of vista, what many consider to be their main product are doing well. But, yeah, Nintendo has done great, and they deserve their reward.
Frankly, the 360 is actually a positive for MS now. As they have maintained strong sales and attach rate despite the on-slaught of PS3 (and to a much lesser degree, the Wii). the games division has NEVER made any money for MS, but the recent strong performance is actually making MS looking at possible profitability (iirc) in ~12 months The weakness in MSFT stock is mainly due to the softness in Vista uptake (MS bread and butter) and the number of lawsuits MS has worldwide that could fine MS BILLIONs of dollars per year. Remember, despite the size of the gaming industry, it's margins are relatively low compared with the enterprise/productivity software monopoly that MS enjoys. As for Sony, games are a significant part of it's revenue but still a smaller part. But the impact of PS3 on Sony is the brand name erosion. Sony lost vast amounts of mindshare in the electronics when it pushed the memstick and relied on it's brand name instead of design for its products. But with the rise of the Bravia lines the consumer confidence has improved, but not quite to the level that it used to enjoy. Tho a smaller part of the sales, PS brand name is highly valued. PS3 has shattered the unwavering faith that the market had in the PS brand name, market reacts accordingly



torfred said: dallas said: I'm actually more interested in Microsoft's stock price. The recent low sales of the 360 are coincidentally coinciding with their dropping share prices (even if only by a few dollars or 10% but still) and what looks like the impending failure of the HD-DVD which would be a big and easy cash cow to maintain, while sales of vista, what many consider to be their main product are doing well. But, yeah, Nintendo has done great, and they deserve their reward. The 10% drop is more likely due to the global drop in shares prices over the past few weeks rather then actual financial factors.
Ok, but why didn't Sony and Nintendo drop as well?



stof said: dallas said: I'm actually more interested in Microsoft's stock price. The recent low sales of the 360 are coincidentally coinciding with their dropping share prices (even if only by a few dollars or 10% but still) and what looks like the impending failure of the HD-DVD which would be a big and easy cash cow to maintain, while sales of vista, what many consider to be their main product are doing well. But, yeah, Nintendo has done great, and they deserve their reward. I can find two problems with your analysis. 1. Microsoft will be fine if HD-DVD fails, as while they've chosen to support it, it isn't actually theres. 2. The 360 hasn't had recent low sales.
Ok, in response: 1. Microsoft's stock price had it built in that the HD-DVD would have done "alright" but now it is losing that war, which means that there will be one less source of cash for them. They will have to forfeit all the money, research, payoffs for relationships w/ corporate fatcats, DVD's made, etc. So, it is a loss to them, when Sony has gained, and a certain loss when you consider that it will be future business that they won't have.



dallas said: Ok, in response: 1. Microsoft's stock price had it built in that the HD-DVD would have done "alright" but now it is losing that war, which means that there will be one less source of cash for them. They will have to f
Excuse me, but I think you exagerate their HD DVD Business dramatically. It would be totally invisible in their share, because they were mainly connected with their codec which is also a codec for BluRay. Even the Xbox 360 doesn't play a dramatical role in their shre price. The big factor in their numbers is Vista and the ussual amount of overexageration and unlogical behaviour in the stock market. In many cases the stock prices do not have anything to do with reality. Somtetimes it has more to do with beliefs, than with nconcrete reasons, so it is pretty pointless to find reasons for minute changes. An upset stomach of one of the dealers can have a bigger influence than the whole BluRay HD DVD thing.



kars said: dallas said: Ok, in response: 1. Microsoft's stock price had it built in that the HD-DVD would have done "alright" but now it is losing that war, which means that there will be one less source of cash for them. They will have to f Excuse me, but I think you exagerate their HD DVD Business dramatically. It would be totally invisible in their share, because they were mainly connected with their codec which is also a codec for BluRay. Even the Xbox 360 doesn't play a dramatical role in their shre price. The big factor in their numbers is Vista and the ussual amount of overexageration and unlogical behaviour in the stock market. In many cases the stock prices do not have anything to do with reality. Somtetimes it has more to do with beliefs, than with nconcrete reasons, so it is pretty pointless to find reasons for minute changes. An upset stomach of one of the dealers can have a bigger influence than the whole BluRay HD DVD thing.
I think that the HD-DVD business is easy money once a victor emerges between HDDVD and bluray. So, once one of the competing DVD companies gets a monopoly, it will be very difficult to unseat that company. Its an easy $3-5 for Sony that will extend into the future, and will aid its game division. Now, their vista has been doing great, so why the significant stock price drop in the last few months? That is too big of a drop to happen, unless something about MSFT has changed in the eyes of the investors. I think that this is probably the DVD thing.