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Avinash_Tyagi on 29 November 2009
rocketpig said:
FonzGemini said:
Next year the PS3 development cost wil drop so if MS has a price drop guess who will put their fire out before it even starts?.... That would be Sony. They will also follow up with their own price drop.

The problem is that MS is making money while Sony is losing it. Who do you think has more flexibility to drop the price under that situation?

FYI, any drops in manufacturing costs made by Sony can be matched by Microsoft. Sony doesn't hold the patent on reducing die size and shrinking processes. They may be able to slice a few more dollars off cost because of the BD drive (versus the already saturated production costs of DVD) but that won't make enough of a difference to matter.

Yeah I don't think people realize that Sony is in very deep financial problems, they don't even expect to be profitable as a company until 2013, and that's only if 3D tvs become a hit and PS3 becomes profitable, so Sony price cutting to match the 360 would be a bad idea for them



 

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rocketpig on 29 November 2009
Euphoria14 said:
rocketpig said:
Euphoria14 said:
Also, show me a link that shows the 360 Arcade is profitable.

There is absolutely no way to establish whether it is or is not. No company breaks down profit models on individual SKUs like that.

Well then how can he sit here and make that claim?

Hey, I'm not the one who said it. :)

I think it probably is at least break even but I have nothing to go on past an educated guess given the hardware and cost.




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Euphoria14 on 29 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
rocketpig said:
FonzGemini said:
Next year the PS3 development cost wil drop so if MS has a price drop guess who will put their fire out before it even starts?.... That would be Sony. They will also follow up with their own price drop.

The problem is that MS is making money while Sony is losing it. Who do you think has more flexibility to drop the price under that situation?

FYI, any drops in manufacturing costs made by Sony can be matched by Microsoft. Sony doesn't hold the patent on reducing die size and shrinking processes. They may be able to slice a few more dollars off cost because of the BD drive (versus the already saturated production costs of DVD) but that won't make enough of a difference to matter.

Yeah I don't think people realize that Sony is in very deep financial problems, they don't even expect to be profitable as a company until 2013, and that's only if 3D tvs become a hit and PS3 becomes profitable, so Sony price cutting to match the 360 would be a bad idea for them

Can you link me that please? I am genuinely interested in reading why.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 29 November 2009
Euphoria14 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
rocketpig said:
FonzGemini said:
Next year the PS3 development cost wil drop so if MS has a price drop guess who will put their fire out before it even starts?.... That would be Sony. They will also follow up with their own price drop.

The problem is that MS is making money while Sony is losing it. Who do you think has more flexibility to drop the price under that situation?

FYI, any drops in manufacturing costs made by Sony can be matched by Microsoft. Sony doesn't hold the patent on reducing die size and shrinking processes. They may be able to slice a few more dollars off cost because of the BD drive (versus the already saturated production costs of DVD) but that won't make enough of a difference to matter.

Yeah I don't think people realize that Sony is in very deep financial problems, they don't even expect to be profitable as a company until 2013, and that's only if 3D tvs become a hit and PS3 becomes profitable, so Sony price cutting to match the 360 would be a bad idea for them

Can you link me that please? I am genuinely interested in reading why.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/19/AR2009111900356.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

 

TOKYO (Reuters) - Sony Corp <6758.T> pushed back an elusive profit margin target to March 2013, after narrowly failing to meet the goal last year, but it aims to make its video game and TV operations profitable next year. 



 

Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

darthdevidem01 on 29 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
rocketpig said:
FonzGemini said:
Next year the PS3 development cost wil drop so if MS has a price drop guess who will put their fire out before it even starts?.... That would be Sony. They will also follow up with their own price drop.

The problem is that MS is making money while Sony is losing it. Who do you think has more flexibility to drop the price under that situation?

FYI, any drops in manufacturing costs made by Sony can be matched by Microsoft. Sony doesn't hold the patent on reducing die size and shrinking processes. They may be able to slice a few more dollars off cost because of the BD drive (versus the already saturated production costs of DVD) but that won't make enough of a difference to matter.

Yeah I don't think people realize that Sony is in very deep financial problems, they don't even expect to be profitable as a company until 2013, and that's only if 3D tvs become a hit and PS3 becomes profitable, so Sony price cutting to match the 360 would be a bad idea for them

& to soleron:

bla bla bla

back to routine I see:

One side -- "ZOMG PS3 outsold xbox 360.....it will outsell it within a year"....check the numbers people

Other side -- "PS3 is a money looser, SONY WILL close if it doesn't make profit, SONY will close if they drop price again"

in fact a few users on here & I think NJ5 even made a thread earlier in this year saying "if SONY drop PS3 to $299 they may go bankrupt"

Well....we know how that turned out!

Face it Avinash, SONY isn't stupid, they aren't going to do anything that will make them bankrupt, people at SONY know whats going on inside more than YOU

If you think SONY will abandon the most powerful brand in videogames because of the PS3, you are mistaken



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Euphoria14 on 29 November 2009
Avinash_Tyagi said:
Euphoria14 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
rocketpig said:
FonzGemini said:
Next year the PS3 development cost wil drop so if MS has a price drop guess who will put their fire out before it even starts?.... That would be Sony. They will also follow up with their own price drop.

The problem is that MS is making money while Sony is losing it. Who do you think has more flexibility to drop the price under that situation?

FYI, any drops in manufacturing costs made by Sony can be matched by Microsoft. Sony doesn't hold the patent on reducing die size and shrinking processes. They may be able to slice a few more dollars off cost because of the BD drive (versus the already saturated production costs of DVD) but that won't make enough of a difference to matter.

Yeah I don't think people realize that Sony is in very deep financial problems, they don't even expect to be profitable as a company until 2013, and that's only if 3D tvs become a hit and PS3 becomes profitable, so Sony price cutting to match the 360 would be a bad idea for them

Can you link me that please? I am genuinely interested in reading why.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/19/AR2009111900356.html?wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter&wpisrc=newsletter

 

TOKYO (Reuters) - Sony Corp <6758.T> pushed back an elusive profit margin target to March 2013, after narrowly failing to meet the goal last year, but it aims to make its video game and TV operations profitable next year. 

Thank you.



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Avinash_Tyagi on 29 November 2009
darthdevidem01 said:
Avinash_Tyagi said:
rocketpig said:
FonzGemini said:
Next year the PS3 development cost wil drop so if MS has a price drop guess who will put their fire out before it even starts?.... That would be Sony. They will also follow up with their own price drop.

The problem is that MS is making money while Sony is losing it. Who do you think has more flexibility to drop the price under that situation?

FYI, any drops in manufacturing costs made by Sony can be matched by Microsoft. Sony doesn't hold the patent on reducing die size and shrinking processes. They may be able to slice a few more dollars off cost because of the BD drive (versus the already saturated production costs of DVD) but that won't make enough of a difference to matter.

Yeah I don't think people realize that Sony is in very deep financial problems, they don't even expect to be profitable as a company until 2013, and that's only if 3D tvs become a hit and PS3 becomes profitable, so Sony price cutting to match the 360 would be a bad idea for them

& to soleron:

bla bla bla

back to routine I see:

One side -- "ZOMG PS3 outsold xbox 360.....it will outsell it within a year"....check the numbers people

Other side -- "PS3 is a money looser, SONY WILL close if it doesn't make profit, SONY will close if they drop price again"

in fact a few users on here & I think NJ5 even made a thread earlier in this year saying "if SONY drop PS3 to $299 they may go bankrupt"

Well....we know how that turned out!

Face it Avinash, SONY isn't stupid, they aren't going to do anything that will make them bankrupt, people at SONY know whats going on inside more than YOU

If you think SONY will abandon the most powerful brand in videogames because of the PS3, you are mistaken


  If the guys at Sony are so smart, then how come they are losing to competitors in nearly every industry, and losing tons of money?

 

And they may go bankrupt as it looks, if they fail to achieve their goals on 3D tvs and online sales which looks very possible and have to engage in a price war with MS, we could be talking about how Sony went bankrupt in five years



 

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GameAnalyser on 29 November 2009
DirtyP2002 said:
Euphoria14 said:
DirtyP2002 said:
CGI-Quality said:
DirtyP2002 said:

I can't believe I just read that MS should be scared because of the black friday sales. There were 75k more PS3 sold than Xbox360... Oh no Xbox360 is doomed! (Remember there is still a 9 million gap in the US)

I think it is impressive for a console in its fifth year to sell 325k consoles @ black friday. Besides that, they won on the software front. Assassins Creed II, Left 4 Dead 2 and Modern Warfare 2 all on the X360 were the big winners.

But anyway, Sony has still GT5 to make its debut for this gen. This and God of War III are the last big IPs Sony has for this gen.

MS will release Natal and advertise the hell out of it. I say we might see a $200 or $250 Elite with Natal this time next year. (I still hope that Alan Wake will be a great success, but thats just me :D) 

This gen is basically:

Wii Owns! But that's boring so we check MS vs Sony:

Xbox 360 rules America
Xbox 360 rules UK / scandinavia / Australia

PS3 rules Japan
PS3 rules continental Europe

Just by looking at these markets it is easy to say that the difference in sales won't be huge at all. They will end up more or less with the same amount of consoles. Maybe a 5 million difference (like 55 vs 60 million), but there is no publisher / developer that can afford to drop a 50 million userbase just for the fuck of it.

You conveniently missed the point. The Xbox 360 is $100 cheaper than the PS3, yet was outsold by it, in it's biggest territory, by 100,000 units or more according to the early leak.

Unless Microsoft drops the $199 Arcade down by $100 next year, or unless Natal is a huge success, they have something to consider worrying about. Let's step out of preferences for a second and think logically here for a moment.

Okay, you are probably right. The Xbox 360 is doomed.

Well to the early leak it might be less than 100k, like 75 or less.

Straigth from the article:

"PS3 sold nearly 400,000 units during the week"
"Around 325,000 Xbox 360s were sold"

So a 70k - 75k difference @ black friday... two months after the price cut and the redesign / relaunch of the PS3. I


There is no reason for MS to be worried about. The sales of the Xbox360 are very decent for a console in its fifth year. There is no chance in hell that the PS3 will catch up to the Xbox 360 in NA. Yeah there is a $50 / $100 price difference, so what? The Xbox 360 will always be cheaper than the PS3. This has been the same situation since this gen started. The point is that MS makes money with the cheaper console and Sony loses money with the more expensive one.

Next year, after the more than likley price cut and after the release of Natal, Sony is forced to make a very hard choice again. Should they cut the price again (and continue to make losses) or should they try not to lose more than $250 million every 3 months (that was their BEST result for the PS3 I think) for the very first time.

Actually I think MS has Sony at the balls.

But all this is not interesting for us, the gamers. Both consoles will see major 3rd party support for the rest of the generation.

That news post has been updated. This is an edit from the PS3 portion.

Edit - with more data coming in, it looks like PS3 could actually be as high as 450,000 for the week once all is said and done.

So it may end up being 125k more, not 75k.


and it still won't matter at all.

Basically, Black Friday was the day meant for 360 to graze well above ps3's sales by a very great margin in NA. This is an indication of console's sales declining. Despite being 100$ dollars cheaper, how the hell it's still not being able to sell fair enough to beat PS3. The magic that Natal can show needs to be seen yet, if that's going to fail, then I guess it's over for the 360 this gen. PS3 slim with the Wand also needs to be seen, but the console alone at the moment is creating waves with it's current sales pace, so will the affinity towards the Wand continue as well. This can go as far as speculation if analysed now, but highly likely.



SolidSnitch on 29 November 2009

The PS3 is the same price as a xbox elite and got a blu-ray player on top of that with free online, even if the arcade is 100$ cheaper the PS3 is the better value and is cheap enough for people to go for the PS3.
The PS3 owns the 360 in term of quality and features, its cheaper too if you want to play online, a 360 for online you need the elite, 300$ + live + wireless = more $$$



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numonex on 29 November 2009

2010 will see the arrival of the $99 Arcade X360 will change things again. Elite X360 will be priced at $199. 5 years from X360 entering sixth year. It would be the time to significantly cut the prices of the X360s alongside the launch of Natal. PS3 console prices will be left unchanged.

Late 2012 or early 2013 will be the time PS3 finally overtakes the X360 but it will not matter. The next generation will be already under way. 2012 Next XBox and PS4 will launch.