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Boutros on 25 November 2009
Khuutra said:
Boutros said:

The OP didn't ask for YOUR top 10 games of the decade. He asked for the top 10 games of the decade.

That means that we have to look at what the majority of people would say.

The word objective has no signification otherwise.

The word "objective" has no significance here. It's that simple.

And yes, the OP asks what you think.

Deferring to the opinions of the majority is not objective.

I, myself, consider that yes, the opinions of the majority is objective.

What would be objective then? Nothing would be objective.

What would be the point of acknowledging the word subjective if you don't acknowledge the word objective?



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Khuutra on 25 November 2009
Boutros said:

I, myself, consider that yes, the opinions of the majority is objective.

What would be objective then? Nothing would be objective.

What would be the point of acknowledging the word subjective if you don't acknowledge the word objective?

You are wrong.

In the case of the arts, the only way you can apply "objective" to the majority opinion is that saying that the opinion of the majority, objectively speaking, is this. Now, you would need to make a formal poll and tally the answers and go through all that nice bit of screening and sampling to make sure your sample is representative of the population. Then you could say, "Objectively, the opinion of the majority is this:"

But that is only the fact of the opinion that is objective, which is say that you can objectively say their opinion is [blank]. The opinion itself is still subjective, not objective.

There is no objectivity when it comes to determining the merits of art.



Barozi on 25 November 2009

GOTY 2000 - Gran Turismo 2 (2000 release in Europe)
GOTY 2001 - Grand Theft Auto 3
GOTY 2002 - Halo Combat Evolved (2002 release in Europe)
GOTY 2003 - Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic
GOTY 2004 - Half-Life 2
GOTY 2005 - Burnout Revenge
GOTY 2006 - Gears of War
GOTY 2007 - Call of Duty 4
GOTY 2008 - Fallout 3
GOTY 2009 - Assassin's Creed 2



Boutros on 25 November 2009
Khuutra said:
Boutros said:

I, myself, consider that yes, the opinions of the majority is objective.

What would be objective then? Nothing would be objective.

What would be the point of acknowledging the word subjective if you don't acknowledge the word objective?

You are wrong.

In the case of the arts, the only way you can apply "objective" to the majority opinion is that saying that the opinion of the majority, objectively speaking, is this. Now, you would need to make a formal poll and tally the answers and go through all that nice bit of screening and sampling to make sure your sample is representative of the population. Then you could say, "Objectively, the opinion of the majority is this:"

But that is only the fact of the opinion that is objective, which is say that you can objectively say their opinion is [blank]. The opinion itself is still subjective, not objective.

There is no objectivity when it comes to determining the merits of art.

But still, all the opinions gathered together is more objective than subjective and that's as close as we can get to objectivity.

One opinion is for sure subjective but once you have a bunch of opinions it gets more and more objective.

Of course we'll never reach the perfect objectivity but at least we can try by using the majority.



Khuutra on 25 November 2009
Boutros said:

But still, all the opinions gathered together is more objective than subjective and that's as close as we can get to objectivity.

One opinion is for sure subjective but once you have a bunch of opinions it gets more and more objective.

Of course we'll never reach the perfect objectivity but at least we can try by using the majority.

You're still wrong. Collecting together a lot of subjective opinions does not make them objective. That's not what objectivity is.



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Twizzler on 25 November 2009
Boutros said:
Twizzler said:
Boutros said:
Some of you are totally not objective rofl

That's because choosing a list of the best games of the decade, which is based on opinion, is supposed to be completely subjective.  You can not have an objective "Top ten games of the decade", it's a complete impossibility.

I know that but what I mean with objective is what the majority of people would say.

For instance, there's no freaking way that Dead Space: Extraction is GOTY 2009 rofl

Being more objective, one would say either NSMBWii, Uncharted 2 or Modern Warfare 2.

Now that would be more objective.

An objective observation would be if you measured the height of 1000 gamers on this site with a ruler, found the mode value of the data and then stated, "You're most likely to be "x" tall if you are in this group of vgchartzers"  Etc. etc.

Taking a poll of 1000 gamers different subjective responses for their best game of each year does not allow you to make an objective assessment of the best game of each year, it does however allow you to report the most agreed upon "best game" in an objective manner however.



vlad321 on 25 November 2009

Can we just get back to listing games so I can laugh at people who have horrible, inferior, and simple tastes? kthxbai



Tag(thx fkusumot) - "Yet again I completely fail to see your point..."

HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

Twizzler on 25 November 2009
Jin_Shihouin said:
Twizzler said:
The decade isn't over til Dec, 2010.

This decade ends December, 2009.

1: 2000

2: 2001

...

10: 2009

 

Most outstanding game this decade:

Shenmue

Sorry, but that is a common misconception.  The previous millenium ended on Dec 31st, 2000, not 1999 like most people think, thus making this decade run from Jan 1, 2001 to Dec 31st 2010, a total of 10 years.  This is because you start counting with year one and not year zero.  However, if you want to cover a decade as a unit of time, rather than a specific decade (ie. the 70's, the 90's) you could choose games spanning from Jan 1st 2000, to Dec 31st 2009, it would just include one year from the "90's" and 9 years from the "00's".



Boutros on 25 November 2009
Khuutra said:
Boutros said:

But still, all the opinions gathered together is more objective than subjective and that's as close as we can get to objectivity.

One opinion is for sure subjective but once you have a bunch of opinions it gets more and more objective.

Of course we'll never reach the perfect objectivity but at least we can try by using the majority.

You're still wrong. Collecting together a lot of subjective opinions does not make them objective. That's not what objectivity is.

Why would I be wrong? You are as wrong as I am lol

And I didn't say that gathering together a lot of opinions makes them objective. I said it makes them more objective as a whole.

 

 

My objective/subjective meter:

Subjective |1 opinion----------------2 opinions---------------------------------100 opinions-----------------------------1000 opinions-------------| Objective

 

But it will never reach the perfect objectivity.

 

That's how I see it.



Boutros on 25 November 2009
Twizzler said:
Boutros said:
Twizzler said:
Boutros said:
Some of you are totally not objective rofl

That's because choosing a list of the best games of the decade, which is based on opinion, is supposed to be completely subjective.  You can not have an objective "Top ten games of the decade", it's a complete impossibility.

I know that but what I mean with objective is what the majority of people would say.

For instance, there's no freaking way that Dead Space: Extraction is GOTY 2009 rofl

Being more objective, one would say either NSMBWii, Uncharted 2 or Modern Warfare 2.

Now that would be more objective.

An objective observation would be if you measured the height of 1000 gamers on this site with a ruler, found the mode value of the data and then stated, "You're most likely to be "x" tall if you are in this group of vgchartzers"  Etc. etc.

Taking a poll of 1000 gamers different subjective responses for their best game of each year does not allow you to make an objective assessment of the best game of each year, it does however allow you to report the most agreed upon "best game" in an objective manner however.

But that's what I've been saying all along...