God almighty Jesus - I think it fair to say we should put down the point re: N64 game quality, because our perspectives on this are wildly, wildly divergent.

Legally there's no such thing as second party - Nintendo was publishing third party games and owned a (non-controlling) stake in the company, but Rare was still a third party.

And not at all. I think the Gamecube's library was considerably better than the N64's, excusing the glaring lack of RARE. What I'm saying is that third party support for the N64 had a much bigger focus on software made exclusively for the hardware.

@ Nick
Alright, Nintendo knows what its audience wants. But most developers don't create the kind of games Nintendo does nor could they. That's why Nintendo is unique.

Well I'm just showing my opinion is shared by far more people than just me. Clearly you agree.

I don't see those party games being advertised either. Yet they seem to move millions. Conduit, Madworld, and No More Heroes were advertised pretty heavily. Yet they still found their way into the bargain bin rather quickly.

I wish Wii could support HD 3rd party games without the profanity. I really dislike profanity especially the retarded statements like "what the Mario" or "Shut the peanut butter up"when all is necessary is simply "Shut up". At least some statements like "you are being a donkey" make sense as they are not very bright and very stubborn.

 I can understand when someone uses corrupt communication by accident but doing it on purpose is uncalled for.

Would be nice, but they would just freeze Nintendo out again. Power isn't what developers want it's just the song they are singing today. Next gen the song will change again to whatever excuse to keep Nintendo out. However that will change. If Nintendo maintains the MOM console it means that the MOMS kids will be playing a Nintendo console 10 years from now and publishers will have no choice at the current line of developers will be from Nintendo consoles. That's how developers lean. By what king system was around 10 years before.

GCN had better specs than the PS2, yet they still didn't support the Gamecube that much. I think the lack of third party support has more to do with the higher echelon/execs of Nintendo more so than their system specs.

If the games that are already available to Wii owners are already of so much quality TO THEM, then why are you guys complaining, or rather, bringing up the topic of whether or not 3rd parties will support the Wii more? They don't have to, and if the Wii audience already has superior titles...TO THEM, then what's there to worry about? You already have your quality titles, why complain that games that are on other systems don't come to the Wii.

That's like saying: "PS3 owners think that the PS3 offers superior titles TO THEM....but they're going to continue to ask why PC developers don't put their games on the console.".

Plain and simple, if you're so content with the games that are superior, TO YOU, why do you need the other games so much? Wii is at almost 57M sold, and it did it without Assassin's Creed, GTA, Metal Gear, etc. People buying Wiis didn't say "3rd parties aren't putting Game X on the Wii, so I ain't buying". Week in and week out, the Wii sells gangbusters without those games, so obviously the demographic doesn't really care that these third parties aren't supporting the console in the same way the're supporting HD

The worst news possible was the rumour of Sonys Ibm chip in their next console, its just making me doubt next gen's potential for Nintendo to reclaim the "whole" market.

Sony definitely paid them off... supposedly some staff working on the GC/Xbox versions of SC3 didn't find out about about the move to PS2 exclusivity until it was announced publicly in Famitsu.  There was also originally a planned 360 version that got killed too btw.

Namco's efforts got rewarded with a lack of sales though.  Every version of SC2 (even the Xbox port) outsold SC3.

If the Wii had the power of 3 PS3's 3rd parties still wouldn't give it the time of day. It's just a stigma that's been in place since the N64 days and I don't believe it will change in this generation but given how popular and profitable the Wii is its only a matter of time before 3rd parties wake up and drop the still 'high cost- low return' lifestyle of the HD twins.

My issue (and I think a lot of peoples issue) is that 3rd parties churn out crap and then publicly blame Wii customers for not purchasing that crap.  Whether or not they support the Wii more I don't really care.  I'll never catch up and fully own and play all of the games I want for the Wii anyways.

This is the point I was making in most of my posts if you read through them.  They don't care because there is a lot of software available that appeals TO THEM.  It's simply incorrect to say that the Wii's software is not quality and inferior to games on XBOX/PS3 simply because it doesn't appeal to that specific userbase.  Statements like that reak of elitism.