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Binary Solo speaks facts. Indeed, it's success is dependent on the very same thing as Natal: Software, and price. Media coverage could turn into a disaster easily (*cough*PS3, 2006*cough*).



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papflesje said:
selnor said:
papflesje said:
because the ball is how the system works! The PSeye detects the ball, and recognizes how far away it is by its size.


That can easily be replaced by placing several markers on the controller itself. Doesn't need to exactly have a glowing ball on the end of it imho. Let's hope they can make the design slicker than it is now

No it cant. They something prominent and of a easily seeable design. Something that when it moves further away can detect it shrinking in size. The eye on it's own cannot do depth unless it sees a glowing object that changes in size. So they could do Natal, but would have to where a glowing suit.

Hmm, how would "detecting a glowing ball" be the way to go, when detecting the size, distance and movement of (for example) three separate points/slits/circles/whatever on a controller basically gives you the same thing? (what am I missing that means a HUGE dot in front of a controller is required?) :s

a ball will always be a ball, no matter what side you look at it from. That means, as long as you don't hide it from the PSeye, you can hold the controller any way you want to. if you have a marker on one side, you would always have to "show" that side of the controller to the PSeye.

 

and the ball needs to be a certain size, to be easy to detect, as you also can move further away from the PSeye.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

How can you make such a prediction but then exclude further price drops by ps3/wii? To combat the natal launch sony could steal some thunder with a 50$ price drop, simple as ice cream in a bowl. Maybe add a clause like "Until a ps3/wii price drop, but once the initial effects of it wear it will again be on top"

Now I am in no way saying that it will happen, just saying it can. Your prediction has merit I will give you that. But I do not believe Natal will be this big hardware pusher to carrying it to outsell ps3/wii for a few years.

Belief rating - 2/5



motion control is a fad... Its like the tamagotchi craze that was around ages ago, and the whole pokemon card phenomenon. I predict that both The PS3's crappy *testicle* wand and the 360's *look like a spaz when you use it* Natal will both flop. Of course that's just my opinion.



The problem i see is the lag. If you are a hardcore gamer you gonna hate it. If you are a casual it can both frustrate you or make it like you, depending what you are playing. Sony came up this innovation with pstoy or pseye, but didn't go more than one time try. It all depends if Natal gives good game play experience. I remember eurogamer review of Natal with burnout paradise, it was good to try out but soon getting frustrated with the lag and lack of controls.



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binary solo said:

Do we know the PSWand doesn't have 3rd parties on board? The only 3rd party studio I've read about who mentioned Natal also said they are working on the Wand too. And isn't RE5 made by a 3rd party...which is confirmed as having PSWand functionality? 

Not really.  So far Activision Blizzard, Capcom, THQ, EA, Take 2, Bethesda Softworks, Disney Interactive, Namco Bandai, Konami, Square Enix, Sega, MTV Games, Grasshopper Manufacture and Ubisoft have all committed game support to Project Natal.  Namco, EA and SE (Taito) all had playable E3/TGS demos.  And it's still a year away, with a rumored 14+ launch games at retail.

So far EA and Capcom have committed to PS3 Motion support.  They each announced one game (RE5AE and Grand Slam Tennis) with the demo for the former first showing at TGS.  And it releases in March, with (so far) one retail game and maybe some PSN titles.



jarrod said:
binary solo said:

Do we know the PSWand doesn't have 3rd parties on board? The only 3rd party studio I've read about who mentioned Natal also said they are working on the Wand too. And isn't RE5 made by a 3rd party...which is confirmed as having PSWand functionality? 

Not really.  So far Activision Blizzard, Capcom, THQ, EA, Take 2, Bethesda Softworks, Disney Interactive, Namco Bandai, Konami, Square Enix, Sega, MTV Games, Grasshopper Manufacture and Ubisoft have all committed game support to Project Natal.  Namco, EA and SE (Taito) all had playable E3/TGS demos.  And it's still a year away, with a rumored 14+ launch games at retail.

So far EA and Capcom have committed to PS3 Motion support.  They each announced one game (RE5AE and Grand Slam Tennis) with the demo for the former first showing at TGS.  And it releases in March, with (so far) one retail game and maybe some PSN titles.

Sony haven't even announced who's supporting the wand.



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Can natal supporters tell me just something. Natal dev kits went out june1 09 while release is planed for late 2010 right.

Given its new controls that no developers have experience with.

How the hell does any rational person think any dev will be able to create any software worth a damn in such a short time. Hd games take time now add on time to make natal controls work and there's no way any one makes anything remotely good for launch.

Seriously you think a new type of hd game with new controls a freaking aaa title will be make in such a short amount of time.



Hus said:

Can natal supporters tell me just something. Natal dev kits went out june1 09 while release is planed for late 2010 right.

Given its new controls that no developers have experience with.

How the hell does any rational person think any dev will be able to create any software worth a damn in such a short time. Hd games take time now add on time to make natal controls work and there's no way any one makes anything remotely good for launch.

Seriously you think a new type of hd game with new controls a freaking aaa title will be make in such a short amount of time.

Indeed, if they're struggling with the Wii, I can't help but wonder how they can do it with Natal.



Rockstar: Announce Bully 2 already and make gamers proud!

Kojima: Come out with Project S already!

huaxiong90 said:
jarrod said:
binary solo said:

Do we know the PSWand doesn't have 3rd parties on board? The only 3rd party studio I've read about who mentioned Natal also said they are working on the Wand too. And isn't RE5 made by a 3rd party...which is confirmed as having PSWand functionality? 

Not really.  So far Activision Blizzard, Capcom, THQ, EA, Take 2, Bethesda Softworks, Disney Interactive, Namco Bandai, Konami, Square Enix, Sega, MTV Games, Grasshopper Manufacture and Ubisoft have all committed game support to Project Natal.  Namco, EA and SE (Taito) all had playable E3/TGS demos.  And it's still a year away, with a rumored 14+ launch games at retail.

So far EA and Capcom have committed to PS3 Motion support.  They each announced one game (RE5AE and Grand Slam Tennis) with the demo for the former first showing at TGS.  And it releases in March, with (so far) one retail game and maybe some PSN titles.

Sony haven't even announced who's supporting the wand.

Well, it comes out in just a few months... what are they waiting for exactly?