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vlad321 said:
Mendicate Bias said:
While I agree that PC gaming won't die I disagree with the reasons you listed for it. Your argument boils down to controls.

Well next generation when all consoles have precise motion control technology and IR pointers (or some new control method we have yet to see) I see the RTS finally moving to consoles as the inherent controller limitations will no longer be there.

As for mmo's, if MS and Sony start bundling keyboards and mice or something akin to that with their next gen consoles mmo's will also make the jump to consoles. Seeing as how their trying to make consoles multimedia hubs a k&m would go a long way to establishing consoles as the internet hub device in the living room.

I see PC gaming existing in the future as the place where independent developers and individuals making low budget unique games go. I feel as though the big budget games will move almost exclusively over to consoles.

So you are saying that they will become even more like PCs. Maybe they will stop charging for online and open the platforms up to the communities as well and stop half-assing PC features.

Yea they will become more like PC's but with one major difference. They will always have uniform system specs and first party developers which will allow for massive budget games not possible on the PC and relieve developers of the headache involved with coding for multiple hardware setups.

If a console maker moves towards a more complex system where you can start to incrementally upgrade your console then I see that console failing since the creator of that console will have forgotten the essentials that made consoles so appealing in the first place, the fact that you can just pop in a disk and start playing no worries or hassle.



                                           

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Couldn't help but notice the idie development discussion. The reason why LIVE is horrible for indie developers is because MS has to OK the thing to appear on LIVE to begin with. There are no such problems on the PC which can mean amazing results. For instance check out AI War: Fleet Command, that game is probably more indepth and complete and overall fun than most full budget priced games in the past several years, also it started kind of shoddy so i doubt it would have gotten a get-go from MS (assuming the 360 was even able to handle it).



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"They will always have uniform system specs"

People always say this as a downside to PC gaming, but it really isn't. In fact, it's one of the biggest advantages to PC gaming.

Want to spend a token few hundred dollars to play games moderate settings? You're allowed to.
Want to spend a little bit more for a PC with much more power than the HD twins could ever dream of having? Go right ahead.
Want to drop three grand on a system with two 5970s powering six 1600p monitors playing games at such a resolution? You're more than welcome!

But with PS360, you're locked in with the same, old, underpowered, outdated hardware for as long as Sony and Microsoft want you to be.



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I agree the PC is a better platform for Indy developers but what garcian said is that there have been no profitable or good indie games for the consoles which is just wrong. Flower, Fat Princess, Dishwasher, Undertow, Braid, Splosion Man, Geometry Wars were all great games and were all released on consoles. So yea PC is the better platform for indie developers but you can still have a big hit with amazing profits on the consoles too.



                                           

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jefforange89 said:
"They will always have uniform system specs"

People always say this as a downside to PC gaming, but it really isn't. In fact, it's one of the biggest advantages to PC gaming.

Want to spend a token few hundred dollars to play games moderate settings? You're allowed to.
Want to spend a little bit more for a PC with much more power than the HD twins could ever dream of having? Go right ahead.
Want to drop three grand on a system with two 5970s powering six 1600p monitors playing games at such a resolution? You're more than welcome!

But with PS360, you're locked in with the same, old, underpowered, outdated hardware for as long as Sony and Microsoft want you to be.

Which also means that developers have to take the time and make sure the game runs flawlessly with every possible hardware setup out there. Now I'm not a game developer but I would imagine it is far simpler to code for one set of hardware than it is to code for 50 different combinations of hardware.



                                           

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jefforange89 said:
"They will always have uniform system specs"

People always say this as a downside to PC gaming, but it really isn't. In fact, it's one of the biggest advantages to PC gaming.

Want to spend a token few hundred dollars to play games moderate settings? You're allowed to.
Want to spend a little bit more for a PC with much more power than the HD twins could ever dream of having? Go right ahead.
Want to drop three grand on a system with two 5970s powering six 1600p monitors playing games at such a resolution? You're more than welcome!

But with PS360, you're locked in with the same, old, underpowered, outdated hardware for as long as Sony and Microsoft want you to be.

Hah, too true. 



Mendicate Bias said:
jefforange89 said:
"They will always have uniform system specs"

People always say this as a downside to PC gaming, but it really isn't. In fact, it's one of the biggest advantages to PC gaming.

Want to spend a token few hundred dollars to play games moderate settings? You're allowed to.
Want to spend a little bit more for a PC with much more power than the HD twins could ever dream of having? Go right ahead.
Want to drop three grand on a system with two 5970s powering six 1600p monitors playing games at such a resolution? You're more than welcome!

But with PS360, you're locked in with the same, old, underpowered, outdated hardware for as long as Sony and Microsoft want you to be.

Which also means that developers have to take the time and make sure the game runs flawlessly with every possible hardware setup out there. Now I'm not a game developer but I would imagine it is far simpler to code for one set of hardware than it is to code for 50 different combinations of hardware.

Or if you want to show your mettle in doing amazing stuff with hardware ( like Carmack) then it's a blessing that you aren't restricted to the same old games and looking like everyone else.



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Mendicate Bias said:
jefforange89 said:
"They will always have uniform system specs"

People always say this as a downside to PC gaming, but it really isn't. In fact, it's one of the biggest advantages to PC gaming.

Want to spend a token few hundred dollars to play games moderate settings? You're allowed to.
Want to spend a little bit more for a PC with much more power than the HD twins could ever dream of having? Go right ahead.
Want to drop three grand on a system with two 5970s powering six 1600p monitors playing games at such a resolution? You're more than welcome!

But with PS360, you're locked in with the same, old, underpowered, outdated hardware for as long as Sony and Microsoft want you to be.

Which also means that developers have to take the time and make sure the game runs flawlessly with every possible hardware setup out there. Now I'm not a game developer but I would imagine it is far simpler to code for one set of hardware than it is to code for 50 different combinations of hardware.

Which is why there are standardized APIs like DirectX.



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Case: Cooler Master HAF-932
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Mendicate Bias said:
I agree the PC is a better platform for Indy developers but what garcian said is that there have been no profitable or good indie games for the consoles which is just wrong. Flower, Fat Princess, Dishwasher, Undertow, Braid, Splosion Man, Geometry Wars were all great games and were all released on consoles. So yea PC is the better platform for indie developers but you can still have a big hit with amazing profits on the consoles too.

And actually, there's the argument that you can make more potential profits, even with a small indie game, on consoles over PC.

Of course, it depends on the genre and how you release it.  A independent SRPG probably won't do well on XBL or WiiWare and fare better on PC.  However, many SHUMPS, action games and especially puzzle and platformers have done AMAZINGLY well on XBL and WiiWare when they probably would have hardly been noticed in the sea of indie self published and freeware on PCs.

Like with any game genre, from the very biggest to the smallest, like these, it all comes down to advertising and hype.  And since XBL and WiiWare markets the games for you on a worldwide console distribution service....



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Kenryoku_Maxis said:
Mendicate Bias said:
I agree the PC is a better platform for Indy developers but what garcian said is that there have been no profitable or good indie games for the consoles which is just wrong. Flower, Fat Princess, Dishwasher, Undertow, Braid, Splosion Man, Geometry Wars were all great games and were all released on consoles. So yea PC is the better platform for indie developers but you can still have a big hit with amazing profits on the consoles too.

And actually, there's the argument that you can make more potential profits, even with a small indie game, on consoles over PC.

Of course, it depends on the genre and how you release it.  A independent SRPG probably won't do well on XBL or WiiWare and fare better on PC.  However, many SHUMPS, action games and especially puzzle and platformers have done AMAZINGLY well on XBL and WiiWare when they probably would have hardly been noticed in the sea of indie self published and freeware on PCs.

Like with any game genre, from the very biggest to the smallest, like these, it all comes down to advertising and hype.  And since XBL and WiiWare markets the games for you on a worldwide console distribution service....

You can't really do platforming well on the PC, at least not 3D.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835